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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Monster-4
The 6.4 "winning" was in no way in doubt. It had plenty of power to spare and I was certainly impressed with the power delivery but then being 8 years newer and 1 gear bigger I would hope so.
The 6.4 "winning" was and still is in doubt in the minds of SEVERAL of the V10 owners...Especially Phillips91 who just last week was talking about the 6.4 taking forever to get from 30-35, while the V10 was gaining on it. I saw something totally different... I saw the V10 slowing down and downshifting when it hit the second hill, and the 6.4 pulling away.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
the '08 6.4 could get a 4.10, the '09-'10 6.4 only came with 3.73 or 3.55 in SRW form. The SRW was never offered with a 4.88, I know you are referring to the DRW F450-550, but most of us have been talking exclusively about the SRW.
The 09-10 SRW's come with 3.55 or 3.31...3.73 was 08...
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Head
36. Gasoline engines produce deadly concentrations of carbon monoxide. By contrast, diesels produce little carbon monoxide.
That's what the catalytic converter is for. The last time I got my V10 tested, it shows 0.0ppm CO. So little it can't be read by the emissions testers. Particulates and NOx emissions are not exactly a great thing for your kid's lungs.

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How is the fact that quite a lot of people use diesel an advantage anyways.[/B]
Using that reasoning, I want me a Toyota.

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"15. Diesel engines are like garbage disposals-they'll eat any type of oil-based fuel."
Tell that to Ford, next time you fill up your PSD under warranty with veggie-oil, kerosene, heating fuel oil, or anything else.

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17. After a few decades, someone will pay you for your junk diesel engine.
For a wet sleeve engine maybe. They wouldn't pay anymore for a junk parent bore throw-away diesel (like the 5.9 Cummins and the PowerStroke) then a junk gasoline engine.
You're forgetting about scrap prices. The extra 500 lbs of cast-iron/steel is actually worth, what, $50-100 depending...

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[/B]19. Diesel vehicles do not need complicated evaporation emission control systems.
Complicated? One charcoal canister and a vacuum solenoid. Oh how complicated. How about the ridiculous DPF and SCR systems diesels now have?
Nah, you're imagining things.

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33. A mechanically injected diesel does not need electricity to keep it going. If your alternator fails, a diesel engine will get you home.
And what modern diesel is mechanically injected? Oh, that's right. A single battery would keep an old carb'd vehicle going for many hours - it would even keep a fuel injected car going for a long time as well.
I dare anyone to measure their alternator output with an Amprobe while idling. Come on, DO IT Then figure out how much HP you're losing to the alternator.

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37. Diesel fuel is a lubricant. Gasoline is a solvent. What would you rather spray on your cylinder walls?
They will both wash the oil off your cylinder walls - moot point really.
Which is why, when cleaning heavily greased-up parts, I use KEROSENE. Diesel fuel works just as well. But I can't stand the smell of either one after having driven diesels for years for work.

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47. Diesels are better in remote areas and third world countries because they can run on vegetable oil and are less complicated than other drivetrains.
Perhaps, but gasoline engines will run on alcohol - which is easy to make even in remote places.
Hmm... who can make vegetable oil from raw materials in their backyard? Come on, show me your presses! And the acres of soy beans

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49. Diesel fuel and exhaust just smells better.
If you enjoy the smell of sulfur and rotting eggs.

What's even better with the urea system is the wonderful smell of ammonia. Or something.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Jrfish007
Do you want me to honestly go through your posts and quote all of it? I don't have time to today, but it's in the posts. You said all of those except the scrap metal part.

It's not being sensitive, it's the simple fact that everytime you quote or referrer to me it's disrespectiveful.

Besides, I thought you said you were just having fun?
I am having fun. It's funny watching you guys with gas engines to try to come up with any excuse or your opinions on why a gas engine is just as good as a diesel when it comes to towing. We all know the diesel wins hand down when it comes to empty weight. It's faster especially when you mod one, gets better gas mileage and it rides better.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
The 6.4 "winning" was and still is in doubt in the minds of SEVERAL of the V10 owners..
Watching my video and Tom's 6.4L video with Tom towing 2000lbs LESS than me, my truck gets to 30 mph in 9 seconds,and 35 mph in 11 seconds. Tom's truck did it in 8 and 10 seconds, respectively.
JL
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
The 6.4 "winning" was and still is in doubt in the minds of SEVERAL of the V10 owners...Especially Phillips91 who just last week was talking about the 6.4 taking forever to get from 30-35, while the V10 was gaining on it. I saw something totally different... I saw the V10 slowing down and downshifting when it hit the second hill, and the 6.4 pulling away.
Well remember this was not a test of a 3V V10. It was an older design (2V) that was saddled with an older transmission (4R100). You seem to keep over looking these facts. Comparing my old engine and truck to the new engine and truck is not entirely fair. I would certainly expect the 6.4 to do better in this case. Compare a 3V V10 with the same transmission as the 6.4 then I think it would be much closer or the same.
Also I think with the new tune from 5 Star to allow the TC to stay unlocked longer my old V10 would have been real close.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Monster-4
Also I think with the new tune from 5 Star to allow the TC to stay unlocked longer my old V10 would have been real close.
But that's cheating!
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:28 PM
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But that's cheating!
The v-10 needs all the help it can get.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:28 PM
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Yea, if your going to tune it to pull the hill faster than stock than the 7.3 has to be allowed to do the same thing...
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ChargersFanInCO
the only way they would have settled it would have been if they'd timed the runs...not using the length of the videos...It's clear to me the 6.4 "won" hands-down when you hear things like "gotta' slow down for this turn" when you didn't hear anything like that in the other trucks. The 6.4 HELD 40+ mph on the second part of the hill, but you can clearly hear the V10 go 40....35...and downshift.

Diesel, FTW!!
Your comparing the PI 2V v10 with a 6.4. Thats like a 7.3 vs an 05+ V10.
Need to compare 6.0 and 6.4 to the 3V.
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The v-10 needs all the help it can get.
Not really. My stock 275 HP non PI 2v V10 with 3.73s and 4R100 pulls at 25,000 GCW and keeps up with traffic leaving lights and pulling hills just fine.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 02:54 PM
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Your comparing the PI 2V v10 with a 6.4. Thats like a 7.3 vs an 05+ V10.
Need to compare 6.0 and 6.4 to the 3V.


Not really. My stock 275 HP non PI 2v V10 with 3.73s and 4R100 pulls at 25,000 GCW and keeps up with traffic leaving lights and pulling hills just fine.
It might do it fine for you but for others it would be struggling.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:04 PM
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And thats why Ford made the PI heads with 310 HP for 00, and then the 3V heads which have 362HP for 05.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Langton
Watching my video and Tom's 6.4L video with Tom towing 2000lbs LESS than me, my truck gets to 30 mph in 9 seconds,and 35 mph in 11 seconds. Tom's truck did it in 8 and 10 seconds, respectively.
JL
And his is STOCK...You lose. But how could that possibly be since you make more hp?
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:18 PM
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He was on an incline with 2,000 lbs more than Tom.
 
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Old Jul 19, 2010 | 03:19 PM
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I'm still waiting for Bill to explain how the 6.4 walked away from the V10 on the video, and even had to slow down to take a corner since the V10 makes more hp...Even if it was the older one, the V10 ain't gonna' be making up that lost ground. Or, I'm waiting on Phillips to pull his calculator and explain it all away with numbers...
 
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