Don't think so.
For the last decade 4-cylinders diesel outrun 6-cylinder gasers mounted in the exact cars.
Even in Formula 1 diesels are winning.
That technology for several reasons is not available in US, but wanted, or not -it is coming.
Look at the Toyota diesel dually posted in another thread.

 

I am not saying my 7.3 is perfect. All I am saying is that when a truck can't gain speed because it is in 3rd gear turning less than 2k rpm it isn't the engines fault. If your truck had gotten stuck in 2nd or 3rd gear and wouldn't downshift I would be saying the same thing in defense of your truck. No one is bashing your truck here(or kicking your dog). Just stating a fact. By 25 mph the 7.3 was in 3rd gear and turning about 1600-1800 rpm. It would have been hard for any of the engines in the test to accelerate under those conditions.

 

The v10 had the same tranny, so its still a fair test.

 

Come on now Bill. They have the same tranny but one of them wasn't functioning properly. The v10 was in first gear turning 3k rpm and couldn't gain speed because the engine wouldn't allow it. The 7.3 was in 3rd gear, barely turning any rpm's and wasn't gaining speed because the tranny wouldn't let it downshift. That would be like me running against a manual v10 and making it climb a hill in 4th gear and refusing to let it downshift but letting my 7.3 climb it in 2nd and saying it's a fair test because it is the same tranny. I don't think a single person in v10 land would think that is a fair comparison.......

 

I had an idea come to me reading and posting on the whole longevity dispute. I was thinking we should set up some sort of longevity thread with 6 trucks for the diesel side and 6 trucks for the V10 side. The people selected to represent their side could post repair expenses and such every month or so.

We would definetly have to settle on a set of requirements for the trucks. Some people might worry that people wouldn't report problems, but I trust the integrity of 99% of the people on this forum. What do you guys think?

 

I don't think you would get any replies from anyone but 6.0 and 6.4 owners

 

Not to hijack this argument, but yesterday I got confirmation that for me, a V10 was indeed the right choice. I have a freind who has an '04 F250 (same year as mine) that he bought new. He's fanactical about maintenance and his truck is not his daily driver, while mine is. When I bought mine, I could've likely found one like his for the same money, or maybe a touch more. The only real difference is that his is a diesel with the 6.0. I asked if he'd had any trouble with his, since he bought it new. He told me one of the most heart-breaking tales I've heard in a while. It seems as though this is actually his second '04 F250 with the 6.0. The first gobbled up a lower end of the engine after the oil pump died after less than a year. He talked the dealership into a new truck at that time, and they took his in on trade for nearly what he paid. The second one was only used for weekends, and often towed his horse trailer, which is what diesels excel at. However in the years since, it too has had to have the engine replaced due to oiling issues, then the variable-pitch turbo got sooted to death and needed replacing, then came the head gasket, fuel pump followed by another oil pump failure. Then he lost his job and tried to sell the pile (it looks like new, btw) but due to this being a small area and everyone knowing everyone, he had zero takers on that. So now what? It's off warrantee, he can't sell it and he can't afford a new truck, and he's afraid to drive this one anymore since when it breaks next time, he can't afford to fix it. Before anyone jumps on the "my diesel has never broken" bandwagon, just remember, there's always a first time, and when it does, let's hope you have the bucks to fix it.

 

Count me in on the V10 side. If it ever needs anything I'll be the first to admit it.

 

Sand Man what year & mileage is your rig?

I've thought of a few requirements
80,000-300,000 miles on engine

94-07 models (6.4l's are too recent)

tow some stuff & load the bed fairly often (use as a TRUCK)

no heavy modded trucks-not much more than tuner, exhaust, intake

I'm thinking 6 diesels & 6 V10's (2 OBS 7.3L's, 2 99-03 7.3L's, 2 6.0L's) and how ever the V10 guys feel their engines should be represented for model years

Tell me if you think I should add/change the requirements & if you're interested in participating

Possible participants - Me, Sand Man

 

Count me in for an OBS 7.3. 1997, bone stock, 215k miles and used as a work truck(going off road to drilling rigs, hauling trailers, firewood, landscaping supplies, etc). If we need to take pics of odometers, engines, trailers, etc, to verify then I am game for that too.

 

What that story has to do with THIS topic?
Your friend made even worse choice than you did. End of the story.

 

Mine's an '04 and has about 86,000 on it and is all stock. Although I know lots of guys who haul more, mine hauls it's share. 3,500 lbs of firewood in the bed a few times a year, my toy hauler loaded with quads, a 6x12 dump trailer full of gravel occasionally and the regular stuff (home supplies, trips to the dump, etc) plus it's my daily driver so it piles up the miles. I think it's fair to say it's
about average for truck useage, nothing too big but does what I ask.

 

And I thought you were a troll...whatever was I thinking?

 

If you want to, we could also keep track of fuel expenses. Each time we fill up, scan the receipt and post it with the miles traveled(possibly include pic of trip odometer if needed).

 

Count me in! 170,600 miles and stock as can be.

I think anouther thing should be planning to keep the truck for its whole usefull life. If half the trucks in the test get traded in it will mess it all up. I plan on running this until the motor blows, and at that point either finding a newer V10 4x4 F350 or putting a PI V10 in this.