Gas vs PSD
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From: Millersburg, OH
I know what gears my truck has and it is indeed 3.73. The same as the 7.3. The 7.3 tranny was acting fine and in a similar fashion to mine regarding shifts. According to the owner of the 7.3 truck it was running as it should other then the exhaust leak you heard us discussing. The only issue was the EGT probably where inaccurate/on the high side due to the probe location.
Take the the videos anyway you wish. You are welcome to setup your own tests.
Take the the videos anyway you wish. You are welcome to setup your own tests.
Hook it, I'll pull it.
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From: Grand Lake, La.
Are you sure? Need I refer to our comparison thread where Mike's V10 maintained speed with a 7.3L truck on the steepest part of the hill, then ran away from it once it was able to rev? That 7.3L in stock form did NOT handle the weight better than the V10. Tuned very well would have been a different story.
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Let me get the fact straight. My 7.3 is 230 HP rated, while from what I could find V10 is 300 HP rated.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT 300 HP IN GAS ENGINE IS MATCHING, OR EVEN BEATING 230 HP IN DIESEL?
Now about Bill footnote. I own 21 HP John Deere tractor. I wonder if I could out-pull his V10. With 4WD, big wheels and differential lock, I think I just might
ARE YOU SAYING THAT 300 HP IN GAS ENGINE IS MATCHING, OR EVEN BEATING 230 HP IN DIESEL?
Now about Bill footnote. I own 21 HP John Deere tractor. I wonder if I could out-pull his V10. With 4WD, big wheels and differential lock, I think I just might
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The v10 had issues when the TC locked up and he lost rpms. He never made it out of 1st gear on the steep part of the climb. The 7.3 wouldn't downshift and was in 3rd gear at the same part of the hill. Tom tried jerking it down by hand and it still wouldn't downshift.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ith-video.html
Look at 1:06 of the video. Tom says that the 7.3 is in 3rd gear and you can't see the tach needle above 2,000 rpm. So that tells me he is making the pull in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm(possibly why it overheated?). Then if you listen at 1:23 Tom says "it's not downshifting" and he tries jerking it down by hand. The v10 was in 1st gear at 3,000 rpm doing the same speed that the 7.3 was going in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm. If the 7.3 was running right then it would not have been struggling in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm. It would have downshifted at some point.
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Let me get the fact straight. My 7.3 is 230 HP rated, while from what I could find V10 is 300 HP rated.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT 300 HP IN GAS ENGINE IS MATCHING, OR EVEN BEATING 230 HP IN DIESEL?
Now about Bill footnote. I own 21 HP John Deere tractor. I wonder if I could out-pull his V10. With 4WD, big wheels and differential lock, I think I just might
ARE YOU SAYING THAT 300 HP IN GAS ENGINE IS MATCHING, OR EVEN BEATING 230 HP IN DIESEL?
Now about Bill footnote. I own 21 HP John Deere tractor. I wonder if I could out-pull his V10. With 4WD, big wheels and differential lock, I think I just might
Mine ( 97-99) is 275 and the 05+ is 362 HP.
Yes, my 275HP engine will beat your 230HP engine.
You can get a load rolling faster with your extra 95 TQ, but as soon as I get going I will run you down and pass you with my 45HP.
Same thing on hills when we are already at speed. You can hold a higher gear longer with your low end, but I can hold/gain speed better.
It depends on the test. Your tractor could out pull my V10 with traction and gearing if we just chained them to each other.
But if we did a drag racing up a hill with a 10K load, I would beat you with ease once I got the load rolling.
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The v10 had issues when the TC locked up and he lost rpms. He never made it out of 1st gear on the steep part of the climb. The 7.3 wouldn't downshift and was in 3rd gear at the same part of the hill. Tom tried jerking it down by hand and it still wouldn't downshift.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ith-video.html
Look at 1:06 of the video. Tom says that the 7.3 is in 3rd gear and you can't see the tach needle above 2,000 rpm. So that tells me he is making the pull in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm(possibly why it overheated?). Then if you listen at 1:23 Tom says "it's not downshifting" and he tries jerking it down by hand. The v10 was in 1st gear at 3,000 rpm doing the same speed that the 7.3 was going in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm. If the 7.3 was running right then it would not have been struggling in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm. It would have downshifted at some point.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/9...ith-video.html
Look at 1:06 of the video. Tom says that the 7.3 is in 3rd gear and you can't see the tach needle above 2,000 rpm. So that tells me he is making the pull in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm(possibly why it overheated?). Then if you listen at 1:23 Tom says "it's not downshifting" and he tries jerking it down by hand. The v10 was in 1st gear at 3,000 rpm doing the same speed that the 7.3 was going in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm. If the 7.3 was running right then it would not have been struggling in 3rd gear at less than 2,000 rpm. It would have downshifted at some point.
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Now you are scrambling what your signature says
To end up your above note (talking 7.3 again)-you will beat me hauling the load to first gas station. Than when you pull over for a fill up -you will see me passing and you will never see ma again till the finish parking lot, where I'll be sleeping when you get there
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These discussions are almost always based on how fast each engine can propel the truck and its load up a hill in a drag race. Whether or not my 6.0 could win a drag race against Bills van means about as much to me as whether Brittany Spears is wearing panties. What I care about is how well it can maintain its highway rpm out on the road. Bill prefers to maintain speed, no matter what the engine has to do to maintain it. Both are just preferences and we both have the right engine under the hood that fit our driving style.
Power output from these trucks are close enough that neither one really has a clear advantage, which is why this argument will NEVER end. What I find interesting is that there are those, on both sides, that take serious offense to someone else who opposes their preference as if the guy had raped his wife, kicked his dog and drank his beer. The blue oval on the grill speaks more about the truck than the engine choice does.
Power output from these trucks are close enough that neither one really has a clear advantage, which is why this argument will NEVER end. What I find interesting is that there are those, on both sides, that take serious offense to someone else who opposes their preference as if the guy had raped his wife, kicked his dog and drank his beer. The blue oval on the grill speaks more about the truck than the engine choice does.
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These discussions are almost always based on how fast each engine can propel the truck and its load up a hill in a drag race. Whether or not my 6.0 could win a drag race against Bills van means about as much to me as whether Brittany Spears is wearing panties. What I care about is how well it can maintain its highway rpm out on the road. Bill prefers to maintain speed, no matter what the engine has to do to maintain it. Both are just preferences and we both have the right engine under the hood that fit our driving style.
Power output from these trucks are close enough that neither one really has a clear advantage, which is why this argument will NEVER end. What I find interesting is that there are those, on both sides, that take serious offense to someone else who opposes their preference as if the guy had raped his wife, kicked his dog and drank his beer. The blue oval on the grill speaks more about the truck than the engine choice does.
Power output from these trucks are close enough that neither one really has a clear advantage, which is why this argument will NEVER end. What I find interesting is that there are those, on both sides, that take serious offense to someone else who opposes their preference as if the guy had raped his wife, kicked his dog and drank his beer. The blue oval on the grill speaks more about the truck than the engine choice does.
No problem.
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These discussions are almost always based on how fast each engine can propel the truck and its load up a hill in a drag race. Whether or not my 6.0 could win a drag race against Bills van means about as much to me as whether Brittany Spears is wearing panties. What I care about is how well it can maintain its highway rpm out on the road. Bill prefers to maintain speed, no matter what the engine has to do to maintain it. Both are just preferences and we both have the right engine under the hood that fit our driving style.
Power output from these trucks are close enough that neither one really has a clear advantage, which is why this argument will NEVER end. What I find interesting is that there are those, on both sides, that take serious offense to someone else who opposes their preference as if the guy had raped his wife, kicked his dog and drank his beer. The blue oval on the grill speaks more about the truck than the engine choice does.
Power output from these trucks are close enough that neither one really has a clear advantage, which is why this argument will NEVER end. What I find interesting is that there are those, on both sides, that take serious offense to someone else who opposes their preference as if the guy had raped his wife, kicked his dog and drank his beer. The blue oval on the grill speaks more about the truck than the engine choice does.
