Gas vs PSD
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Putting moderator hat back on:
Can you at least stay somewhat on topic? This isn't about pulling a 747 for a few hundred feet, nor is it about passenger cars or SUVs.
If you can't stay on topic, please refrain from posting.
If you can't stay on topic, please refrain from posting.
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The ranger isn't as small as you think, I think 80% the size of a normal truck.
I always thought they were like 50 % as big, but no.
The mileage on the ranger isn't that great when compared to a f150 with a v6.
I personally think they should keep it alive and re think it from the ground up.
1. crew cab option.
2. motor choices : 3.7 gas, 3.5 ecoboost, small diesel.
3. keep nicer rangers on the lot, not plane jane boring trucks. Crew cab ranger with a sunroof.
4. sexy offroad packages, lots of young people own these trucks. (roll bars, bush bumpers, sweet wheels & tires. hood scoops)
5. Complete bumper to bumper LED lighting. Small things like this can make a sale. And costs virtually the same for a MFG to sell.
I always thought they were like 50 % as big, but no.
The mileage on the ranger isn't that great when compared to a f150 with a v6.
I personally think they should keep it alive and re think it from the ground up.
1. crew cab option.
2. motor choices : 3.7 gas, 3.5 ecoboost, small diesel.
3. keep nicer rangers on the lot, not plane jane boring trucks. Crew cab ranger with a sunroof.
4. sexy offroad packages, lots of young people own these trucks. (roll bars, bush bumpers, sweet wheels & tires. hood scoops)
5. Complete bumper to bumper LED lighting. Small things like this can make a sale. And costs virtually the same for a MFG to sell.
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I don't agree w/ this even though I see your train of thought. Just about everthing today is rated around at least 300 hp for the f150. 04 and up models have heavy frames. I can see a man that scrapes and/or hauls parts around to car shows to sell or just just towing gcw of around 15k in general wanting the tq w/ great milage and in the f150 budget.
The problem I see is Ford getting the price right to compete. If it cost $5k more for the diesel upgrade and the maintance cost roughly like it does for the psds now then there's no way it'll be economical. You could have already bought a SD with the 6.2l and surfer the milage but recoop w/ the maintance cost.
There's no real numbers to crunch to say for sure. I just don't see how Ford could pull it off.
The problem I see is Ford getting the price right to compete. If it cost $5k more for the diesel upgrade and the maintance cost roughly like it does for the psds now then there's no way it'll be economical. You could have already bought a SD with the 6.2l and surfer the milage but recoop w/ the maintance cost.
There's no real numbers to crunch to say for sure. I just don't see how Ford could pull it off.
If you put in a 300hp+ diesel in it, you'll need beefier parts which makes no sense when you have the superduty line already @ 400 hp.
With the TQ a diesel makes, a 200 HP diesel with 400 ft lbs of tq would be a nice machine to drive.
Ford has to justify and market every model and option. The only buyer looking at a diesel F150 would be buying it for the mileage and light towing. If they want tow capacity or power, they'll buy the 6.7 L.
So thats my 3 cents (it went up, inflation...)
It doesnt make any sense to put a diesel in the f150 that would require extra parts beefed up or changed, because they already make that truck. Its the super duty.
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Quite strange way of saying you have no valid arguments in the subject you brought to the table.
What was the topic again?
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I will name 3. The 5.9 cummins, the 7.3 PSD (known as the T444E if used in school buses, delivery trucks and dump trucks) and the 6.0psd (known as the VT365 when used in international trucks like buses, and dump trucks)
I am sure there are others. And if I am not mistaken the newer cummins is also used in new buses and SA dump trucks too.
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I manage to avoid clicking on threads that don't interest me every day. Should you attempt to develop this same skill, I think you will find it a very satisfying one.
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I will name 3. The 5.9 cummins, the 7.3 PSD (known as the T444E if used in school buses, delivery trucks and dump trucks) and the 6.0psd (known as the VT365 when used in international trucks like buses, and dump trucks)
I am sure there are others. And if I am not mistaken the newer cummins is also used in new buses and SA dump trucks too.
I am sure there are others. And if I am not mistaken the newer cummins is also used in new buses and SA dump trucks too.
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From: iowa
BUT if you notice neither was "detuned" for the light duty application (the 6.0 is setup a LOT higher then the VT365 which was the source of disagreement over the head problems with the 6.0)
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These engines were never rated the same power levels they made in SD pickup trucks. The T444E(7.3L) made a max of 230 HP, and the VT365(6.0L) made a max of 300 HP.
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From: iowa
Which coincidentally is identical to the 230hp the 7.3 in my 2000 is rated at.