Gas vs PSD
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How about regular maintenance such as oil, filters and the like? Also, since we are tracking fuel expenses, do we also track miles traveled? I think this is great not just for those who already own their trucks, but for potential buyers as well.
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I still would make some clear criteria what we are comparing.
What are the chances that we find original owners who logged 1/2 mil miles on both sides?
So how about comparing expenses running the trucks between 200,000 and 300,000 miles?
Since we are comparing trucks about 10 years old, that would be right?
What are the chances that we find original owners who logged 1/2 mil miles on both sides?
So how about comparing expenses running the trucks between 200,000 and 300,000 miles?
Since we are comparing trucks about 10 years old, that would be right?
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I still would make some clear criteria what we are comparing.
What are the chances that we find original owners who logged 1/2 mil miles on both sides?
So how about comparing expenses running the trucks between 200,000 and 300,000 miles?
Since we are comparing trucks about 10 years old, that would be right?
What are the chances that we find original owners who logged 1/2 mil miles on both sides?
So how about comparing expenses running the trucks between 200,000 and 300,000 miles?
Since we are comparing trucks about 10 years old, that would be right?
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Garden Valley, Idaho
The question is really how many 7.3's have gone 300k w/o a rebuild and what percentage. Remember that 75% of all the Super Duty's were diesel, that means if only 20% of the PSD's made it past 200k and the same applies to the V-10's, there's alot less of them on the road to find, but they are there. A few months ago when in my local "jiffy lube" in the stall next to me was an F-250 V-10, 2002 model and he had 192,000 miles and had only replaced plugs and timing belt. Still had the original water pump, fuel pump, etc. So, in numbers you may find quite a few over 200k PSD's as compaired to V-10's, but numbers don't always tell the story. I know of way more stories of defeated Ford diesel engines than you can ever find on V-10's, but again, there are many more PSD's out there than V-10's.
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I have my theory why you don't hear about extensive repairs on V10 with over 200k.
Any serious repair at this point usually is putting the truck on junk yard, while diesel owners will spend even $2500 for new injectors -knowing they have lot of life left in the engine.
Still if we find comparable owners of high mileage trucks that would give us real life data.
I have no doubt that fuel savings on diesel at 200k are so enormous, that even $2500 for the injectors will seem very low price to pay.
Let me calculate. 200,000 miles at 15 mpg makes about $40,000 for fuel.
Even if you calculate only 10% savings comparing to gas engine- you have lot of kudos to play with.
Any serious repair at this point usually is putting the truck on junk yard, while diesel owners will spend even $2500 for new injectors -knowing they have lot of life left in the engine.
Still if we find comparable owners of high mileage trucks that would give us real life data.
I have no doubt that fuel savings on diesel at 200k are so enormous, that even $2500 for the injectors will seem very low price to pay.
Let me calculate. 200,000 miles at 15 mpg makes about $40,000 for fuel.
Even if you calculate only 10% savings comparing to gas engine- you have lot of kudos to play with.
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Lets see, I can get a good short block for $1500 and I'm going to send it to the junk yard? I don't think so. And you forgot to add another $2000 for a new pump in addition to the new injectors, and if it's a 7.3 with the E4OD or R4100, then add another $3,000-5000 as your "torque-y" 7.3 tranny is about to go south. And, if you chipped at all, or even if you didn't, your turbo surge has killed your turbo and if lucky, when it goes south, it doesn't take your pistons with it. Oh well, for that kind of money, I can go to the junk yard and find a nice V-10, throw in a rebuilt engine and go another 200,000 miles and it may cost me $6,000 all totaled. We went through this thought process on this thread before and the diesel guys finally gave it up.
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clintusaf you're in. That finishes the quota for the 7.3l trucks.
Participant list
mountaineer27-OBS 7.3
seven-point-three-E'99 7.3
bill11012-V10
sandman-'04 V10
phillips91-OBS 7.3
clintusaf-'02 7.3
OBS trucks are full
99-03 7.3l are full
Need V10's and 6.0liters
I think if we post once a month with repair expenses & fuel expenses we should be good. When something wears out, even if you upgrade to an improved part, REPORT it. When we get enough participants I'll start the thread.
Participant list
mountaineer27-OBS 7.3
seven-point-three-E'99 7.3
bill11012-V10
sandman-'04 V10
phillips91-OBS 7.3
clintusaf-'02 7.3
OBS trucks are full
99-03 7.3l are full
Need V10's and 6.0liters
I think if we post once a month with repair expenses & fuel expenses we should be good. When something wears out, even if you upgrade to an improved part, REPORT it. When we get enough participants I'll start the thread.
I would be willing to be in for the V10 side if you'll have me. I purchased my 2001 CC LB 4x4 V10 used on 17 Feb 2003 with 13,230 miles on it. It now has 127,113 miles on it. No mods to it except for the AC Heater Bypass and I've disabled the vacuum lines on the hubs.
I currently don't drive it much so I don't know if that will alter the comparison. I probably won't put more than 12K on it during the next year.
I have every receipt for work that's been done on it warranty, local mechanics and myself. I used to keep extensive mileage records but that became useless as nothing changed much but the price of gas.
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Participant list
mountaineer27-OBS 7.3
seven-point-three-E'99 7.3
bill11012-V10
sandman-'04 V10
phillips91-OBS 7.3
clintusaf-'02 7.3
Rugby3-'01 V10
still need 6.0 liters and v10's
Full up on 7.3l's, thanks to those who have offered
mountaineer27-OBS 7.3
seven-point-three-E'99 7.3
bill11012-V10
sandman-'04 V10
phillips91-OBS 7.3
clintusaf-'02 7.3
Rugby3-'01 V10
still need 6.0 liters and v10's
Full up on 7.3l's, thanks to those who have offered
