Gas vs PSD
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My diesel Mercedes takes less oil than gasoline model I used to drive. Filters are the same.
With diesel at 200k I had to spend $70 for replacing deteriorating fuel orings, while gasoline engine would require 2 spark plugs exchanges in this period. Spark plugs at dealer cost over $400 with labor.
Diesel has a fuel filter on top of the engine that cost $20-40 depends on the model, while gasoline engines have fuel filter under the car, or new models inside the tank. Those with labor will cost you $200-$500.
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It isn't. PS is a bad sample here, with higher oil capacity.
My diesel Mercedes takes less oil than gasoline model I used to drive. Filters are the same.
With diesel at 200k I had to spend $70 for replacing deteriorating fuel orings, while gasoline engine would require 2 spark plugs exchanges in this period. Spark plugs at dealer cost over $400 with labor.
My diesel Mercedes takes less oil than gasoline model I used to drive. Filters are the same.
With diesel at 200k I had to spend $70 for replacing deteriorating fuel orings, while gasoline engine would require 2 spark plugs exchanges in this period. Spark plugs at dealer cost over $400 with labor.
I don't see the word Mercedes in it anywhere.
Your insinuation that gas vehicle owners are simply too cheap or stupid to purchase a diesel is condescending and arrogant.
JL
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My wife had a Mercedes and every time it went into the shop it was $600-800 no matter what was the problem. After 4 years of that, I was a happy camper when I sold it. I'll never buy another one, ever.
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So now you are blaming the brand for lousy mechanics you had?
My Ford dealer dropped a clamp in my intake -destroying the turbo and giving me only the $3000 quote for a new one.
I still drive the Ford.
My Ford dealer dropped a clamp in my intake -destroying the turbo and giving me only the $3000 quote for a new one.
I still drive the Ford.
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From: Garden Valley, Idaho
2 different cities, same costs. If it wasn't one thing it was another going bad, nothing to do with having bad mechanics, just a lemon.....sorta like the 6 leakers and the sootbagers, I guess.
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It isn't. PS is a bad sample here, with higher oil capacity.
My diesel Mercedes takes less oil than gasoline model I used to drive. Filters are the same.
With diesel at 200k I had to spend $70 for replacing deteriorating fuel orings, while gasoline engine would require 2 spark plugs exchanges in this period. Spark plugs at dealer cost over $400 with labor.
Diesel has a fuel filter on top of the engine that cost $20-40 depends on the model, while gasoline engines have fuel filter under the car, or new models inside the tank. Those with labor will cost you $200-$500.
My diesel Mercedes takes less oil than gasoline model I used to drive. Filters are the same.
With diesel at 200k I had to spend $70 for replacing deteriorating fuel orings, while gasoline engine would require 2 spark plugs exchanges in this period. Spark plugs at dealer cost over $400 with labor.
Diesel has a fuel filter on top of the engine that cost $20-40 depends on the model, while gasoline engines have fuel filter under the car, or new models inside the tank. Those with labor will cost you $200-$500.
Anyways, this isn't about a Mercedes diesel.
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Right. The 286 pages is only comparing 2 engines 
FYI the mentioned gas engine has 2 plugs per cylinder where couple of them have 2" clearance for removal. While I did snap-on diesel lines replacement in less than an hour, doing the spark plugs where small error will destroy $150 coil wire is not for everybody. Good plugs cost $10-15
Same applies to fuel filter, where anybody knowing how to hold the wrench will replace the filter on the top of the engine, while not too many will go under gas car and have the fuel spraying into their face.
Wait a minute? Isn't this what we compare on PS and V10?
FYI the mentioned gas engine has 2 plugs per cylinder where couple of them have 2" clearance for removal. While I did snap-on diesel lines replacement in less than an hour, doing the spark plugs where small error will destroy $150 coil wire is not for everybody. Good plugs cost $10-15
Same applies to fuel filter, where anybody knowing how to hold the wrench will replace the filter on the top of the engine, while not too many will go under gas car and have the fuel spraying into their face.
Wait a minute? Isn't this what we compare on PS and V10?
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What the hell are you talking about?
The coil is $40, and a small error will not destroy one.
Good plugs are $3.
I have never had fuel spray me in the face changing mine.
Good plugs are $3.
I have never had fuel spray me in the face changing mine.
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From: CA Bay Area
Bill we diverted from using V10 engines as a boat anchors and are talking diesel v/s gasers in general.
The above was comparison of diesel option and gas option in exactly the same model of Mercedes sedan.
Slightly different story than PS v/s V10 because Mercedes diesel has almost the same weight what gas engine.
PS is pretty outdated engine comparing to V10 and that is why this topic has some sense to start with.
Would you compare cdi engines from last decade to V10, there would be no comparison. Unfortunately pickups with cdi in US still don't exist. At least not in numbers you can see.
The above was comparison of diesel option and gas option in exactly the same model of Mercedes sedan.
Slightly different story than PS v/s V10 because Mercedes diesel has almost the same weight what gas engine.
PS is pretty outdated engine comparing to V10 and that is why this topic has some sense to start with.
Would you compare cdi engines from last decade to V10, there would be no comparison. Unfortunately pickups with cdi in US still don't exist. At least not in numbers you can see.
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Common Rail Direct Injection I assume is what CDI means? The Dodge Cummins has been common rail since '03, and the GM Duramax has been common rail since it came out in 01. The 08+ Ford 6.4 PSD is common rail as well as the new 6.7...
The 7.3/6.0 PSDs are also technically common rail injection. When the 7.3's HEUI injection system debuted in 1994, it was one of the most advanced diesel injection systems around.
The 7.3/6.0 PSDs are also technically common rail injection. When the 7.3's HEUI injection system debuted in 1994, it was one of the most advanced diesel injection systems around.
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I have and it sucked. When i was young and dumb(still applies today), I was changing the fuel filter on my 94 ranger in the auto hobby shop in my BDU's on my lunch break. I had never done it before and didnt think to pinch off the lines. I pulled that sucker out and gas shot down my arm, into my armpit!! you talk about burn!!
i had to go home and take a shower and soak my armpit. just thought i'd throw a funny story in all this madness.