I'm willing to bet most of the PSD 250-350 trucks don't do that either.

 

This is pretty much exactly what I have been saying the entire time this has been going on.
And I agree totally with that last line. You couldn't give me a 6.0L or a 6.4L.
JL

 

i racked up about 50k on both work trucks i liked the psd thought it was better had more grunt then v10 may be faster but u dont tow fast

 

Many of them do in my area. There are thousands pulling toyhaulers to the deserts. You are literally driving with hundreds of other toyhaulers down the highway when you are heading to the Glamis dunes for example. I easily pass V-10's with similar loads on them when climbing hills. You can hear how much they have the foot down and still they are easy to pass. You can make excuses all day long, that's just the way it is.

 

My biggest problem in the hp vs tq debate is that people generally only look at peak hp and forget the entire rest of the powerband. I can't tell you how many gasser guys have told me that my 260 hp 5.4 will outpull my 225 hp 7.3 because it has "more hp."

From 1k rpm to 3800 rpm my 5.4 is between 40-60 hp behind my 7.3, depending on the rpm. My 7.3 redlines at 3800 rpm and then by around 4200 rpm my 5.4 finally catches up to what my 7.3 peaked at. From 4200-5000 rpm my 5.4 is making more hp than my 7.3 ever made (by 35 hp). So over the 5k rpm range my 5.4 makes more hp over about 800 rpms. While it has more peak hp, it only has "more hp" over 16% of the rpm range.

If I can hold it in that 800 rpm range then it should be able to climb a hill a little "better" than my 7.3 (if wide open at 5k rpm is better). But if I pull out from a dead stop at the bottom of a hill, the 7.3 will reach the top faster and easier even though it has less hp.

Edit- If someone wants to give me a 6.0 or 6.4 I would gladly take them, so if anyone offers you one send them my way lol. But I am not going to pay that kind of money for a truck that is less reliable and gets worse mpg's than my 7.3.

 

Then again-you are comparing a N/A 5.4L to a turbocharged 7.3L.
Try the same thing with a 6.8L 2V or 3V and you'll see very close speeds and times to the top.

JL

 

I am just using those two as an example because they are sitting in my driveway and many people have told me the 5.4 will win because it has more hp, when I know for a fact it won't. I don't even begin to think it's a fair/close comparison. I'm just saying that peak hp only matters if the comparison you are doing inolves holding them at peak hp.

My 7.3 won't even come close to a 2v PI or 3v 6.8 in a shootout. I can maintain speed better and tow easier because I do have a small hp and tq advantage below 3,000 rpm, but the v10 will run away from me above that. I like the power of the v10. I just don't like the mpg's.

 

And the down side is...

Luckily I got me some mud tires to drown out the injector noise...oh wait, it doesn't.

 

In all honesty-there's very little mpg difference on equivalent trucks.
I've got a 6.8L 2V Excursion 4wd with 3.73's. A good friend has 2 different ones-a 2000 7.3L 4wd with a 3.73 and a 2001 7.3L 4wd with 3.73's. They're all 3 limited models and loaded. Both of his get 14-16 mpg not towing around here. My 6.8L gets 13-14 not towing around here. Towing the exact same trailers-his diesels get 8-11mpg, and I get 7-9mpg. We're neck and neck towing-neither one passing the other,and neither one running away from the other not towing.
He also has a 2003 4wd 7.3L F250CC with 3.73 axles. I've got a 2005 F250CC 2WD with a 4.10 axle. Mine get 13-14 on the highway,and 9-11 towing. His truck gets 15-18 on the highway,and 10-12 towing. He does have an advantage in the empty towing ,but also has slightly higher operating costs, so it's so close it's a wash as far as we've both calculated. This has been the case with every single real world comparison I've seen on the 2 powerplants. no bullcrap or dreamers fuel mileage numbers,REAL world useage.I like both. if the 7.3L was available with a torqshift and the tow-command system-I'd have seriously looked into purchasing one when i got my V10 truck. But again, the only diesels available with that are the ones you cant give me.
JL

 

With my 7.3 I get around 21 mpg's empty. My 5.4 got 13.5 mpg's on my last tank and the best it has ever gotten is a hair over 15. I've came across several v10's I have thought about buying, but I figured they would do much worse than my 5.4, which already does much worse than my 7.3.

I know my mpg's are 2-3 higher than most 7.3's, but mine is the OBS, so it weighs a lot less to start with. Then throw in the fact that it's a reg cab, xl, manual, no power windows, no power locks, no carpet, etc, and it weighs a heck of a lot less than most.

 

21 mpg!!!!!! I'm filling up at your gas station from now on!

 

I get 20 city/24hwy with my 7.3. it all depends on how you have your truck setup. willing to bet, no matter how you tune your V10, it cant even come close. ive seen some folks with aftermarket injectors get up to 28mpgs with the 7.3.

 

im in the same boat. 19 city and 21-22 highway unloaded. about 18 loaded, and mine even has 4.10's. a lot of it with gassers depends on the elivation too. ive only had one experence with the v10 and it had a lot of power. however, the the motor blew up in it. 2009 by the way. i dont know if it couldnt handle all the ideling with the a/c on or what. but it only lasted 2 months in iraq. they replaced it with a psd and everything was good. personaly, i dont like the the new superdutys at all. to much comfort and not enough roughness.

 

Weekend warriors. Whatever strokes your ego.

 

28 mpg? 28mpg? Did you say 28mpg? I swear the internet has now offically become a liar's paradise....