Gas vs PSD
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From: Garden Valley, Idaho
I haven't said anything bad have I? I'm just disagreeing with the claims for towing that I'm seeing on this very long thread. I see that you guys sure are insulting my non-leaking powerstroke though. I don't know anyone who has had to rebuild a powerstroke either. Why is rebuilding your motors always on your mind? Must be in the back of your minds as you're towing at 4500 rpm. The cylinders in my 6.0 will look like new when yours are getting a rebuild. There's a reason 3 out of 4 superduties are sold with the diesel option. The vast majority have no problems.
Hey, if you are one of the lucky 50% of the 6 leakers that have no problems, then my hat's off to you. All you really have to do is research the number of TSB's for the 6.8 V-10 from 1999 to 2009 and then look at the the TSB's for the 6 leaker from 2003 to 2008. We'll compair. You let me know next month when you finish reading the 6 leaker TSB's and we'll talk then.
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I haven't said anything bad have I? I'm just disagreeing with the claims for towing that I'm seeing on this very long thread. I see that you guys sure are insulting my non-leaking powerstroke though. I don't know anyone who has had to rebuild a powerstroke either. Why is rebuilding your motors always on your mind? Must be in the back of your minds as you're towing at 4500 rpm. The cylinders in my 6.0 will look like new when yours are getting a rebuild. There's a reason 3 out of 4 superduties are sold with the diesel option. The vast majority have no problems.
My PSD's have all lived about 5 years before I traded them off to another happy owner and then went out and bought a better one....and now my current one is an 05...and the 6.7 is coming out this year...hmmm...seems like the stars are aligned. I'll hate to see the most dependable truck I've ever owned get replaced though.
50%??? I don't think so. The percentage of problem 6.0's compared to the V10 is surely higher, probably by a significant amount, but I'd be shocked if it's anywhere near 50%.
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From: Rogersville, TN
They are the only diesels that can out pull a V-10. You never see a Ford diesel engine in a Class A or C RV and you will never see a pickup size Cummins or Issuzu diesel in one either. They can't take the punishment. Only a V-10 is studly enough to take on that chore.
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Here is a class A with a 5.9 cummins in it. It has a "massive" gvwr of 24,850.
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Look up any international 4700's and many have gvwr's over 33,000 lbs and came with 7.3's, 6.0's and 6.4's. This is from the an international page about the 7.3 (t444e). "The T444E has been made available in applications above 60,000 lb. GVWR, and extremely popular in the medium duty truck market while it was available." Funny how the old 7.3 could handle 60k lbs but it's not capable of powering a van sized rv.....
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From: Garden Valley, Idaho
Yeah it is funny. It's called reliability. No RV company wanted to send a generation of RV'ers out there in a POS diesel that was prone to break down in the middle of no-where. They didn't want to take the chance of having to go haul them to the nearest dealership. That's why the V-10 is king of the Class C RV's and alot of the Class A's. It has nothing to do with "power" per se, as the V-10 can hold it's own with every diesel they have ever put in a pickup so far. It may not come in first up the hill, but when it gets to the top, it doesn't have to stop and let the turbo cool off before it frys.
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Yeah it is funny. It's called reliability. No RV company wanted to send a generation of RV'ers out there in a POS diesel that was prone to break down in the middle of no-where. They didn't want to take the chance of having to go haul them to the nearest dealership. That's why the V-10 is king of the Class C RV's and alot of the Class A's. It has nothing to do with "power" per se, as the V-10 can hold it's own with every diesel they have ever put in a pickup so far. It may not come in first up the hill, but when it gets to the top, it doesn't have to stop and let the turbo cool off before it frys.
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Yeah it is funny. It's called reliability. No RV company wanted to send a generation of RV'ers out there in a POS diesel that was prone to break down in the middle of no-where. They didn't want to take the chance of having to go haul them to the nearest dealership. That's why the V-10 is king of the Class C RV's and alot of the Class A's. It has nothing to do with "power" per se, as the V-10 can hold it's own with every diesel they have ever put in a pickup so far. It may not come in first up the hill, but when it gets to the top, it doesn't have to stop and let the turbo cool off before it frys.
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Yeah it is funny. It's called reliability. No RV company wanted to send a generation of RV'ers out there in a POS diesel that was prone to break down in the middle of no-where. They didn't want to take the chance of having to go haul them to the nearest dealership. That's why the V-10 is king of the Class C RV's and alot of the Class A's. It has nothing to do with "power" per se, as the V-10 can hold it's own with every diesel they have ever put in a pickup so far. It may not come in first up the hill, but when it gets to the top, it doesn't have to stop and let the turbo cool off before it frys.
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What I was referring to was you saying the v10 was the only engine "studly" enough to handle a 24k gvwr rv when my old "POS" 7.3 has came in vehicles with 3 times the gvwr of the big rv you are talking about. I can also say that I have NEVER (and yes, my never is actually a never) had to stop at the top of a hill to let my turbo cool off. I've got nothing against the v10, I just laugh at the idea of a diesel not being studly enough to move 24k lbs of weight when I have moved that much with my 5.4 (which I haven't hooked a trailer to in 4-5 years because it is a joke compared to my 7.3).
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Noise is the only thing that bothers me with my 7.3, besides switches constantly failing one after other.
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My V10 did a great job hauling our 26ft Outback to Rapid City and back into Eastern Ontario last summer. The truck pulled the trailer; family of four, full tank and lots of extras up the front side of Mt. Rushmore too. Very pleased.
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From: SE Texas
No,far worse.
I had our 2V Excursion in Colorado at 13K ft and it had FAR more power than the 7.3 IDI I used to drive at work here at sea Level.. The Ex has 3.73's and that truck had 4.88's or 5.13's gears and even when empty, it was terribly slow, and had a top speed of 70mph. You could clock that N/A diesel truck 0-60 with a sundial.
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I had our 2V Excursion in Colorado at 13K ft and it had FAR more power than the 7.3 IDI I used to drive at work here at sea Level.. The Ex has 3.73's and that truck had 4.88's or 5.13's gears and even when empty, it was terribly slow, and had a top speed of 70mph. You could clock that N/A diesel truck 0-60 with a sundial.
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I haven't said anything bad have I? I'm just disagreeing with the claims for towing that I'm seeing on this very long thread. I see that you guys sure are insulting my non-leaking powerstroke though. I don't know anyone who has had to rebuild a powerstroke either. Why is rebuilding your motors always on your mind? Must be in the back of your minds as you're towing at 4500 rpm. The cylinders in my 6.0 will look like new when yours are getting a rebuild. There's a reason 3 out of 4 superduties are sold with the diesel option. The vast majority have no problems.
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I agree with you that a V10 is a great engine, but if "most" is your measure of reliability, then psd's of every generation fall into that category. I don't know a single person that has had to rebuild a psd...and there is ALWAYS "a guy" in some internet forum somewhere.
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I've towed quite a few quite a few blown Powerstrokes the last few years, so I've seen them first hand. It's rare to hear about a V10 blowing, or needing a rebuild on any forum, (if you do, somebody probably never changed the oil) but quite common to hear about 6.0 & 6.4 needing replacement in all truck related forums. The V10 has a durability rating of 400,000 miles, even the highly touted new 6.7 Ford diesel only has a 250,000 mile durability rating.
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