. Although in that case I wasn't talking about two trucks I own, just two trucks that would be doing the same speed with both at peak torque. When I reference a 7.3 and 5.4, those are the two trucks that I own.
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Wrong. He repped me first, so I repped him back. Get your facts straight. then you decided to enter the equation like some sort of "protector" or something. Ya'll sure cry about those negative reps, but you don't hesitate to hand them out when you feel like it.
Guess what, FTE isn't about YOU. It isn't about me either, but I take **** from nobody.
Guess what, FTE isn't about YOU. It isn't about me either, but I take **** from nobody.
then who is "he" that you were talking about in response to me saying you rep'd monster-4 as being a troll?
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Tom, I merely asked what axle I had since someone was trying to tell me how fast my wheels were spinning at what engine RPM. It went downhill from there.
Then that someone started saying he was talking about another model of engine, and when I quoted his post via copy/paste he got butt-hurt and others started running their mouths.
Then that someone started saying he was talking about another model of engine, and when I quoted his post via copy/paste he got butt-hurt and others started running their mouths.
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Tom, I merely asked what axle I had since someone was trying to tell me how fast my wheels were spinning at what engine RPM. It went downhill from there.
Then that someone started saying he was talking about another model of engine, and when I quoted his post via copy/paste he got butt-hurt and others started running their mouths.
Then that someone started saying he was talking about another model of engine, and when I quoted his post via copy/paste he got butt-hurt and others started running their mouths.
I guess you're referring to Josh's last math post. If you read it again, you will see that the only trucks he references with specific details on trans and gear ratios are his own. He specifically says "our V10" and "our 6.4". The math are results from the details of his own trucks.
Then you jump in and say this-
If you want to think I am, then I am sure we can add another 20 pages of arguing about it pretty quickly lol.
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When I was in the Air Force, a zoomie was a graduate of the US Air Force Academy. That may have changed, which was the basis of my question. Sorry to confuse you, I'll type slower next time.
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Keep in mind that my math below is based on normal elevations and does not apply to people that every drive they make is at 15,000' elevation with a continuous 20% grade where they are pulling a 20,000 lb trailer and every 100 feet they have to stop and pull out again....
In the same gear, at the same speed, turning the same rpm(has to be under 3,500 for the psd) then yes, the engine making more crankshaft torque(psd) is going to put more torque to the ground. Take our v10 with a 3.73 and 6 speed manual versus our 6.4 with a 3.55 and 6 speed manual again. Pull out from a stop and run them to 3,000 rpm(peak hp for the 6.4). Just to save you the math, that is 255 wheel rpm for the diesel and 242 for the v10. At this point the v10 is making 257 hp and 450 crankshaft tq and the 6.4 350 hp and 6.13 crankshaft tq. Rear wheel torque is 5577 for the v10 and 7209 for the 6.4. I don't think too many of us would argue that the 6.4 isn't putting a whipping on the v10 at this point. But what happens around 3,000 rpm? The psd has to shift to second and the v10 is just now hitting its power band.
The 6.4 shifts to 2nd and pulls all the way to 3,000 rpm again. At this point it is turning 402 wheel rpm. The v10 has now pulled to 5200 rpm and is turning 419 wheel rpm. The 6.4 is still making 613 crankshaft torque and 350 hp and the v10 is now making 365 crankshaft torque and 362 hp. Rear wheel torque is now 4573 for the 6.4 and 4537 for the v10. Like it or not, at that speed, turning those rpms, the v10 is going to be able to pull the same weight as the 6.4 even though it is making 250 less crankshaft torque because they are both putting the same torque to the wheels. The only difference is the 6.4 is going to be turning 3,000 rpm in 2nd gear and the v10 is going to be turning 5,200 rpm's in 1st gear. The same applies in all other gears too. Hit a hill with both doing 55-60 mph, all the v10 has to do is downshift one gear and it will put the same power to the ground and stay right beside of the 6.4.
In the same gear, at the same speed, turning the same rpm(has to be under 3,500 for the psd) then yes, the engine making more crankshaft torque(psd) is going to put more torque to the ground. Take our v10 with a 3.73 and 6 speed manual versus our 6.4 with a 3.55 and 6 speed manual again. Pull out from a stop and run them to 3,000 rpm(peak hp for the 6.4). Just to save you the math, that is 255 wheel rpm for the diesel and 242 for the v10. At this point the v10 is making 257 hp and 450 crankshaft tq and the 6.4 350 hp and 6.13 crankshaft tq. Rear wheel torque is 5577 for the v10 and 7209 for the 6.4. I don't think too many of us would argue that the 6.4 isn't putting a whipping on the v10 at this point. But what happens around 3,000 rpm? The psd has to shift to second and the v10 is just now hitting its power band.
The 6.4 shifts to 2nd and pulls all the way to 3,000 rpm again. At this point it is turning 402 wheel rpm. The v10 has now pulled to 5200 rpm and is turning 419 wheel rpm. The 6.4 is still making 613 crankshaft torque and 350 hp and the v10 is now making 365 crankshaft torque and 362 hp. Rear wheel torque is now 4573 for the 6.4 and 4537 for the v10. Like it or not, at that speed, turning those rpms, the v10 is going to be able to pull the same weight as the 6.4 even though it is making 250 less crankshaft torque because they are both putting the same torque to the wheels. The only difference is the 6.4 is going to be turning 3,000 rpm in 2nd gear and the v10 is going to be turning 5,200 rpm's in 1st gear. The same applies in all other gears too. Hit a hill with both doing 55-60 mph, all the v10 has to do is downshift one gear and it will put the same power to the ground and stay right beside of the 6.4.
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[quote=phillips91;9025484]Now that I have had time to go look up the posts, let's look at the conversation.
That's right. I did say "the 6.4" because in my comparison I was talking about a 6.4. Not one time did I ever say my comparison was about a 7.3 or that I meant to say 7.3 or anything about a 7.3 other than to tell Bucci that I own a 7.3.
Yes, you denied it...right here. The below is exactly what you said. Please accept a cut and paste as I don't have time to figure out multi-quote on my phone.
Phillips said "Ummm, once again, why don't you learn to read before you hit reply. Show me in that post where 1. I was even replying to you and 2. Where I even mentioned your name or your specific truck. If you go back and actually read the post you will see that I was relying to TennesseeMustang and that I was using two trucks with rear ends that would allow them to be turning the same wheel rpm with both engines at peak torque. "
Tennessee has a 7.3, and I have a 6.4. You were quoting 6.4 numbers and speeds...Since I was the only one with a 6.4 on at the time, you were either talking to me since you were REPLYING to me, or you were talking to yourself.
That's right. I did say "the 6.4" because in my comparison I was talking about a 6.4. Not one time did I ever say my comparison was about a 7.3 or that I meant to say 7.3 or anything about a 7.3 other than to tell Bucci that I own a 7.3.
Yes, you denied it...right here. The below is exactly what you said. Please accept a cut and paste as I don't have time to figure out multi-quote on my phone.
Phillips said "Ummm, once again, why don't you learn to read before you hit reply. Show me in that post where 1. I was even replying to you and 2. Where I even mentioned your name or your specific truck. If you go back and actually read the post you will see that I was relying to TennesseeMustang and that I was using two trucks with rear ends that would allow them to be turning the same wheel rpm with both engines at peak torque. "
Tennessee has a 7.3, and I have a 6.4. You were quoting 6.4 numbers and speeds...Since I was the only one with a 6.4 on at the time, you were either talking to me since you were REPLYING to me, or you were talking to yourself.
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After your post there were a whole bunch of "How DARE you?!?!"'s We called the pilots "zoomies" when they were providing us CAS (Close Air Support) in Afghanistan and they didn't seem to mind it a bit. I didn't get mad at your post, but I figured I'd better stand my ground again since others started crying about it.
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Seriously man, what are you not understanding??? When have I ever said that my comparison was not about a 6.4?? I have said at least 3 or 4 times that in my comparison I was talking about a 6.4 and not a 7.3.
Let me say it again. In my comparison I was talking about a 6.4(but not YOUR truck). The ONLY time I mentioned a 7.3 when referring to that comparison was to TELL BUCCI THAT I OWN A 7.3 and that I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT MY 7.3 IN MY COMPARISON.
Let me simplify it even more for you
7.3 and 5.4=trucks that I own.
6.4=truck you own.
6.4 and v10 that I made up for a comparison=truck neither you or I own.
Bucci thought I owned a 6.4. He was wrong. I told him I owned a 7.3. YOU thought I was backpedaling and saying that my comparison was actually about a 7.3 and not a 6.4. Then you quoted my comparison(about 3 times) so show that I was talking about a 6.4(when I never said I wasn't).
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Seriously man, what are you not understanding??? When have I ever said that my comparison was not about a 6.4?? I have said at least 3 or 4 times that in my comparison I was talking about a 6.4 and not a 7.3.
Let me say it again. In my comparison I was talking about a 6.4(but not YOUR truck). The ONLY time I mentioned a 7.3 when referring to that comparison was to TELL BUCCI THAT I OWN A 7.3 and that I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT MY 7.3 IN MY COMPARISON.
Let me simplify it even more for you
7.3 and 5.4=trucks that I own.
6.4=truck you own.
6.4 and v10 that I made up for a comparison=truck neither you or I own.
Bucci thought I owned a 6.4. He was wrong. I told him I owned a 7.3. YOU thought I was backpedaling and saying that my comparison was actually about a 7.3 and not a 6.4. Then you quoted my comparison(about 3 times) so show that I was talking about a 6.4(when I never said I wasn't).
Let me say it again. In my comparison I was talking about a 6.4(but not YOUR truck). The ONLY time I mentioned a 7.3 when referring to that comparison was to TELL BUCCI THAT I OWN A 7.3 and that I WAS NOT TALKING ABOUT MY 7.3 IN MY COMPARISON.
Let me simplify it even more for you
7.3 and 5.4=trucks that I own.
6.4=truck you own.
6.4 and v10 that I made up for a comparison=truck neither you or I own.
Bucci thought I owned a 6.4. He was wrong. I told him I owned a 7.3. YOU thought I was backpedaling and saying that my comparison was actually about a 7.3 and not a 6.4. Then you quoted my comparison(about 3 times) so show that I was talking about a 6.4(when I never said I wasn't).
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Sigh, I guess the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.
CALM DOWN EVERYONE. If you can't calm down, unsubscribe from the thread.
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Yes, you denied it...right here. The below is exactly what you said. Please accept a cut and paste as I don't have time to figure out multi-quote on my phone.
Phillips said "Ummm, once again, why don't you learn to read before you hit reply. Show me in that post where 1. I was even replying to you and 2. Where I even mentioned your name or your specific truck. If you go back and actually read the post you will see that I was replying to TennesseeMustang and that I was using two trucks with rear ends that would allow them to be turning the same wheel rpm with both engines at peak torque. "
Tennessee has a 7.3, and I have a 6.4. You were quoting 6.4 numbers and speeds...Since I was the only one with a 6.4 on at the time, you were either talking to me since you were REPLYING to me, or you were talking to yourself.
Phillips said "Ummm, once again, why don't you learn to read before you hit reply. Show me in that post where 1. I was even replying to you and 2. Where I even mentioned your name or your specific truck. If you go back and actually read the post you will see that I was replying to TennesseeMustang and that I was using two trucks with rear ends that would allow them to be turning the same wheel rpm with both engines at peak torque. "
Tennessee has a 7.3, and I have a 6.4. You were quoting 6.4 numbers and speeds...Since I was the only one with a 6.4 on at the time, you were either talking to me since you were REPLYING to me, or you were talking to yourself.
Also, Tennessee has a 6.0, not a 7.3. I was quoting 6.4 and v10 numbers just to give him an example of what I was talking about. I was not referring to your truck or replying to you. I could have just as easily used a 351, 302, 7.3 or any other engine/tranny combo I wanted to but I chose to use a v10 and a 6.4 with a 6 speed manual because those were the two we were talking about at the time and I had the numbers handy.
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No offense, but anybody that has served their country gers my respect, retired or no. And thank you for your service as well.
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Thanks, it was a blast to tell you the truth.