I agree, I just got tired of being called a lair.
You can believe me or not, but don't keep beating me with it.

 

 

WOW, Sorry to hear about the RED rep Will. I never gave anyone a red rep and don't plan on it, but I guess things can change. I gave you a few reps to help get you back where you should be Will.

 

Bill-i will agree that some people on here have kind of jumped you over a few things, but i wouldnt hand out negative reps over it. I got negative reps for telling a guy that he was wrong when he said an f150 with a 5.4 could handle more payload, tow better, and have better durability over the long run than an f250 with a 7.3. all that does is cause hard feelings between the two people. so just be a little careful on jumping the negative button. that being said, i can see where stroking7.3 was coming from, even though he may not have taken the best approach to asking you about it.

for instance, you did say these following two things.

I have taken 250,000 pounds of scrap in and towed for 35,000 miles.

I have made 41 scrap trips, at 58 miles a trip,
that is a 6097 pound average pay load and 2378 miles. That is about half my towing miles.

now you are saying that a lot of those miles have been going to pick up scrap and for other normal driving trips, etc. well, going to get the scrap and other normal driving trips dont count as towing. so when you say "i have towed 35k miles" i take that as you have had something hooked to your van for 35k miles. then when you say that 2378 miles is half of your towing miles, it does confuse me trying to figure out how half of 35k is 2378. so yeah, your story was confusing, but no need to call you a liar or anything like that. now be a good boy and dont negative rep me just for saying i understood the other guys side of the argument too lol.

 

What good is the rep point system if no one knows what you got the reps for, good or bad? A member could accumulate green square reps for supplying anything from technical data to telling jokes or making a witty comment.

No one can judge or have an opinion of a member's contribution to this great forum by the amount of green squares they have. The reason being no one has any idea what the reps were given for except the recipient.

 

I did not come across very clearly.
2380 miles are from my house to the scrap yard, and about 15,120 miles running around central TX to pick scrap up from people.
I have taken 250,000 pounds of steel to the scrap yard in the last 14 months.
That is half my towing miles, and yes, Going to get scrap WITH MY TRAILER does count as towing.

About 17,500 was other stuff like cars,a few trucks, building supply's, concrete, my tractor, etc.
I have towed a trailer 35,000 miles in the last 14 months.

That is not counting non towing miles, which i do not keep fuel recites for.

I think ( from maintenance recites ) I have driven it about 10,000 miles with out a trailer. I do not know how much of that was loaded and how much was empty, I only kept track of that when I had a trailer behind me.

 

The green chicklets are like a measure of popularity I guess. You are correct that only the sender and receiver know what the reasons are for getting positive or negative reps. It is nice to know that if you've said something that someone really liked or appreciated that they acknowledge what you've said.

 

youre still not getting what we are saying though. in one sentence you said you towed 35k miles in the last year. then in the next sentence you said that 2378 miles is half of your towing miles. 2378 is not half of 35k miles. if youre first sentence is true and you really did tow 35k miles, then 2378 is not half of your miles, but rather 7%. 2378/35000=7%. if your second sentence is true and 2378 miles really is half of your towing miles, then you only towed 4756 miles for the year. 2378x2=4756. the point of powerstrokins argument was nothing more than to call you a liar or make you look wrong, so it really has no importance to the debate.

also, i was under the impression that you were hauling the scrap INSIDE your van because you referred to the 6k lbs of scrap as 6k lbs of payload. payload is how much of the weight is actually resting on your van. thats why i said it didnt count driving to pick the scrap up. and before any one asks me who in gods name would try to put 6k lbs in the back of the van, the same kind of guy that pulls 12k lbs 90 mph with the same van

 

Hey bud, I stopped posting in this thread a few weeks back when I would research information and post it on here to challenge BillTroll, and he would blow right on past it. The point of this thread is to bring InterWeb attention to Bill. He is not interested in actually discussing the merits of diesel vs gas for towing purposes. As an example, he states that his 2v v10 is a better towing engine than a c9 Cat. You can search my name within this thread to see the many points made and points raised, almost none of which were responded to. I TKO'ed this thread as well, but wanted to pop back in and commiserate with you.

Dave.

P.S. Nice to see another VA guy on here.

 

Ok, what I said ( or meant anyway ) was that 2376 to the yard + 15,120 picking it up made scraping half my miles, which it is.

I have put 7K in the back of the van 1 time, and 6K another but that was concrete.

I look back and see that I should have gotten a pic of it.


The stuff I haul to the scrap yard is fairly light, big stuff so I have use a trailer to get enough to be worth it.

About 6,100 is the average I take to the yard on my trailer.
When I said payload I meant on the trailer, not the truck.

 

It is not a better pulling motor than the C9, It will just pull harder in JUST the right circumstances, but would never last or be practical.

I do want to discuss the PSD vs the V10, and I have admitted several things that make the PSD better for some people.

It gets better MPG.
It does not lose power tell a much higher elevation.
It has a lot more low end power to get a load moving from a stop.

But, the V10
costs less.
has more power ( at a less useful RPM )
cost 6 grand less.
Is cheaper to maintain and fix ( if it ever needs to be fixed )

I have done the math several times, and I make more money with the V10 then I would using a 7.3.

dwilliamsceg, I am not a troll.

 

i dont think bill is a troll, just misguided in the whole hp vs tq area. in short, torque is how much work you can do and hp is how quickly you can do it. compare a 400 hp 1200 tq diesel to a 400 hp 400 tq gasser. with both towing a load that is within the gassers ability, the 400 hp diesel cant do its work any faster than the 400 hp gasser if they are drag racing the trailers. that is true. a gasser with more hp than a diesel will pull the same load up a hill faster, but only IF THE LOAD DOES NOT EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF WORK(torque) THE GASSER CAN DO. but with the diesel having 1200 lbs of torque it can do 3 times the amount of work as the gasser because it only has 400 lbs of torque.

put both trucks on an infinite uphill plane at 60 mph and add weight to the trailer until the trucks just cant move it anymore. since the gasser only has the ability to do 1/3 of the work, it will stop with 1/3 of the weight the diesel can carry(and gasser guys, dont bring up gearing, because any gearing you can do to your gasser we can turn around do to our diesel).

 

Out of curiosity, how old are you Bill?

 

I am 17.

If you are going to decide that I cant have hauled any thing because of my age, I have pics of a few of my loads.

 

Gotcha. I don't make any claims about who has done what or what can haul anything,. Again, I have owned a v10 and a PSD and pulled the same load and it is night and day.

You being 17 has little to do with the topic but much to do with the conversation. At 30, you are making me feel old :-)

Anyways, back to view only mode for me. Press on...