The HHO injection thread
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
Wonder what he is using for solenoids?
As a general rule of thumbs, never load an electrical component to more than 70% of max load.
So a 30 amp relay would only be good for 21 amps duty cycle.
And given how many miles it would be on in a semi, 70% is probably a bit high since it would be on hours at a time.
In that application, there should probably be two relays wired in parallel so each is only carrying 1/2 the amp load.
And the relays would have to have a 100% duty cycle rating.
As a general rule of thumbs, never load an electrical component to more than 70% of max load.
So a 30 amp relay would only be good for 21 amps duty cycle.
And given how many miles it would be on in a semi, 70% is probably a bit high since it would be on hours at a time.
In that application, there should probably be two relays wired in parallel so each is only carrying 1/2 the amp load.
And the relays would have to have a 100% duty cycle rating.
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From: Braham MN
The supplied one looked just like a ford starter solinoid on the fender. he switched to a continous Duty one with I thought 50 Amp rating and it still burned up. I am trying to find him a relay instead of a solinoid. relays have alot higher continous amp rating then solinoids, the discs inside can't handle all that current for long periods of time.
Diesel Rod
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From: Marianna, Florida USA
It sounds like you guys are trying to reinvent the wheel. Try googling "Smack Booster". You will be directed to a forum for guys trying to replicate a free design that is cheap to build and is reported to produce about 1.5 LPM of hydroxy. They discuss all of the things you have been talking about here. They have several people there that have already made Hydrolyzers.
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
7.3 liters times 3300 RPM divided by 2 for an intake stroke every other revolution of the crank.
7.3*3300/2=12045 liter per minute through the engine
12045/1.5= .000124533
I still say .0124533% hydrogen is not enough gas to make any difference.
In fact that number is wrong, only 66.6% of that number is hydrogen, 33.3% of that is oxygen.
So now we are looking at .00829% hydrogen and .0041469% oxygen.
Yes if you cut the RPM in half, the numbers double, but .01658% hydrogen and .0082938% oxygen at 1650 RPM still sounds like nothing to me.
7.3*3300/2=12045 liter per minute through the engine
12045/1.5= .000124533
I still say .0124533% hydrogen is not enough gas to make any difference.
In fact that number is wrong, only 66.6% of that number is hydrogen, 33.3% of that is oxygen.
So now we are looking at .00829% hydrogen and .0041469% oxygen.
Yes if you cut the RPM in half, the numbers double, but .01658% hydrogen and .0082938% oxygen at 1650 RPM still sounds like nothing to me.
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From: Marianna, Florida USA
You're trying to over think this. The hydrogen acts as an accelerator to speed the flame front up. This effectively advances the timing. The beauty of this is it improves the burning of the fuel by creating a high temperature flash to allow all of the fuel to be burned in the combustion chamber rather than in the exhaust port. That's why the exhaust temperatures go down. Realize that tha rate of burn for hydrogen is 8000 FT/SEC. It closer to an explosion than a burn. That's faster than TNT. Too much and your piston will be stopped and pushed back down the bore. Not a good thing, so you don't want much. Sometimes a little IS better than a lot. Check out the forums on yahoo 'watercar', 'Hydroxy', or 'WorkingWatercar'. Actually, go to yahoo and search for HHO. There are several groups that have members that are doing exactly what you are trying to do. They are talking about the same things you are concerned with. Anyway just trying to help. I want to hear how you make out with your project.
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I think this might be my first post here, but anyways... I have been researching this for a few weeks myself. I found a site that gives details on other people's research into this WITH PLANS ON HOW TO BUILD. It has details on a 100LPH generator to a small one for augmenting your gas or diesel and the theory behind all this.
Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - Chapter 2
If that link doesn't work, then head to the main page and click the chapter 10 link. There is about 150 pages of good info. I have learned alot. This guy starts out with a small stainless wall plate generator and ends with a generator you could power a 4 cylinder car with. Let me know what you think.
Practical Guide to Free-Energy Devices - Chapter 2
If that link doesn't work, then head to the main page and click the chapter 10 link. There is about 150 pages of good info. I have learned alot. This guy starts out with a small stainless wall plate generator and ends with a generator you could power a 4 cylinder car with. Let me know what you think.
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Hydroxy booster
I have been studing this for a while. I noticed your drawings with a few errors. All the research has already been done. follow the link below to build your booster, it will produce 1.7LPM. Your will probably want to build two to four of these boosters to provide Hydroxy for a 6.0
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.html
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Smack.html
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From: Everywhere, USA
I am thinking of building the Smack unit with the exception of making it 24" long instead of 12" for extra electrolite capacity. Has anyone got a working model yet? I am about to make a 3,000 mile round trip, and if I could sqeeze any fuel savings it would offset the cost of building the "Smack" unit. It looks simple and cheap.
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From: Marianna, Florida USA
Check out Watercar Forum on Yahoo. They just had a rally and Smack himself drove his vehicle with a smack unit operating. The trip is well documented. Good reading if you want to know how it works.
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Post Fiend
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From: Nutter Fort, WV
My metric is a bit rusty, but if I remember right 1000 ml = 1 liter
So 1 ml would be .001
So .0001 would be .1 ml.
I have diabetic friends.
Their insulin needles hold 1 ml which is divided into 100 units.
So 10 units would be .1 ml.
That is a volume of about 4 drops of water.
Using that same ratio, a liter has 40,000 drops of water in it.
Reduce down, 1 drop of water to 10,000.
Lets make a bigger comparison.
A gallon of milk sitting in front of a 10,000 gallon tank.
That is an absurd picture.
So 1 ml would be .001
So .0001 would be .1 ml.
I have diabetic friends.
Their insulin needles hold 1 ml which is divided into 100 units.
So 10 units would be .1 ml.
That is a volume of about 4 drops of water.
Using that same ratio, a liter has 40,000 drops of water in it.
Reduce down, 1 drop of water to 10,000.
Lets make a bigger comparison.
A gallon of milk sitting in front of a 10,000 gallon tank.
That is an absurd picture.
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hey , just bustin in after scheming through these pages and want to say this is a Insane topicthat from one end seems like a possible cure for the's world energy crisis. But from the other side it would have problaby been adapted from bigger company's like ford daimler, chevy whatev's. The real answer seems to be the most simple backwoods method thats been used for ways back. And with all the crazy technology.(Cloning) we should be able to grow fuel or something to pruduce enrgy.
