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Oh definitely. I'm calling Lunati tomorrow, and I have a couple of direct email addresses to folks at Lunati to send that photo to.
Good news is, I put the camshaft in the lathe with a dial indicator on it. The camshaft is good and straight. I compared it to the other Lunati camshaft I have, and to the factory camshaft that came out of the engine. Dang, you should see the factory camshaft! I have no idea how that damn thing was actually functioning. The 60 degree center drilling on the tail end is way off center.
Bad news is, the new camshaft fits a little tight in the bearings. I probably should have had the cam tunnel line bored. Lesson learned. After comparing measurements between the three camshafts, the bearing journals on the one I'm gonna use are a smidge larger. I've got a few options: Take the block back to the machine shop and get the tunnel line honed and new bearings installed. Send the camshaft back for some grinding. Or put the camshaft in the lathe and polish the journals. I'm gonna polish the journals. I might ruin a camshaft, but I'm gonna learn a few things regardless.
Just checking a cam in the middle is not telling you the whole story. A cam should always be checked end for end. Put a V block under #1 and #3, then set your dial indicator up on #5 and check it, turn cam around in the V blocks and check #1. It's not uncommon to find a cam out on one end and it looking acceptable when just checked in the middle. I had one not too long ago that was out .002" on #1 and it looked ok when just checking the center. If the cam is ok, I always blue the bearings with machinist die, slide the cam in and turn it a few times, remove the cam and then deal with any shinny spots.
That's pretty much what we did. We'll see if it was the right thing to do, after the oil warms up on the test stand.
Edit: I put the camshaft in the lathe, between dead & live centers. Used a dial indicator on every journal. I don't see how setting the camshaft on V-blocks could be more precise.
That's pretty much what we did. We'll see if it was the right thing to do, after the oil warms up on the test stand.
Edit: I put the camshaft in the lathe, between dead & live centers. Used a dial indicator on every journal. I don't see how setting the camshaft on V-blocks could be more precise.
Your isolating half of the cam, it's going to show you exactly how true each end is. Putting it in a lathe is not doing that, it's just giving an overall reading. More often than not when there is trouble getting a cam in it's because of that so if there is excessive bearing scraping to do I would go back and check it.
Your isolating half of the cam, it's going to show you exactly how true each end is. Putting it in a lathe is not doing that, it's just giving an overall reading. More often than not when there is trouble getting a cam in it's because of that so if there is excessive bearing scraping to do I would go back and check it.
I'm not following you. Tell me where I could be wrong here. Understand, I've been machining since I was 13. As you know, the camshaft is 60 degree center drilled on both ends, and this is how it's indexed during grinding / profiling. I put the camshaft in the lathe, between two 60 degree centers. Mind you, my lathe's alignment is checked often, because I cut rifle barrel chambers on it. Ok, between centers, I used a .0005" (half thou) dial indicator, mounted on the carriage. I put the dial indicator on the number 1 journal, and zero'd the dial indicator. Then I spun the camshaft by hand while watching the dial indicator. It never showed any movement. Then I moved the carriage, so that the dial indicator was on the number 5 journal, and repeated the process. The dial indicator showed zero and didn't move as I rotated the camshaft. There was no runout between number's 1 & 5 journals. Then I moved the carriage to the remaining three journals, and repeated. There was almost no runout. Then I repeated the entire process, and came up with the same results. Then I spun the camshaft at 700 rpm. The lathe didn't vibrate. So if there is no runout between the journals, and the journals are all straight and in line with each other, where is the camshaft out of spec?
I'm not following you. Tell me where I could be wrong here. Understand, I've been machining since I was 13. As you know, the camshaft is 60 degree center drilled on both ends, and this is how it's indexed during grinding / profiling. I put the camshaft in the lathe, between two 60 degree centers. Mind you, my lathe's alignment is checked often, because I cut rifle barrel chambers on it. Ok, between centers, I used a .0005" (half thou) dial indicator, mounted on the carriage. I put the dial indicator on the number 1 journal, and zero'd the dial indicator. Then I spun the camshaft by hand while watching the dial indicator. It never showed any movement. Then I moved the carriage, so that the dial indicator was on the number 5 journal, and repeated the process. The dial indicator showed zero and didn't move as I rotated the camshaft. There was no runout between number's 1 & 5 journals. Then I moved the carriage to the remaining three journals, and repeated. There was almost no runout. Then I repeated the entire process, and came up with the same results. Then I spun the camshaft at 700 rpm. The lathe didn't vibrate. So if there is no runout between the journals, and the journals are all straight and in line with each other, where is the camshaft out of spec?
You need to check the relationship between the 2 ends, to the center of the shaft, runout in the middle of the shaft has little to nothing to do with it.
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