LMFAO!!! 779 pages!?!?!?!

I own a 2005 F550 with a 6.0 PSD, a 1995 F450 with a 7.3PSD, and a 2005 F250 with a 3v V-10.

For zipping around town I LOVE the V-10, quiet, lighter and more responsive feeling, that being said, if I knew the economy was going to take a crap, I probably wouldn't have bought another V-10. It's probably going to be my daily driver until the wheels fall off, and frankly I'm worried about the truck outlasting the engine now. That and the 9-11 MPG sucksssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With 35" BFG A/T's and 4.30 rearend, when I get much above 80mph, the MPG's drop to like 6 or 7!
The cost of fuel alone is leaves me with no money to do anything anytime I go anywhere far from home.

 

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Since when life is so easy?
Would we have free choices, the guys using trucks for real work would have only Mercedes diesels under the hood, the guys using truck for showing off would have V16 on 56" tires.
In real life we do have to compromise. If the gasoline engine is compromise, let it be there, but who you are kidding it is a better choice?
I drive diesels in California for 27 years. Out of those 27 only about 4 years the diesel fuel at truck stops was more expensive than regular. Even now at lot of stations in CA diesel is cheaper than Premium and frankly I don't even remember when was the last time I wanted a vehicle that would run on anything less than Premium.

 

I agree w/ you. Krewat has said that same thing a few times in the last 10 pages at least. I was just saying that at some point or nother everyone has agreed to that. But some seeem they have found an over looked mechanical defile of gravity advantage and we love to explorer and exploit it.
Kajtek1, have you walked off the page again? What ford calls for 97 octane gas? Diesel started its price climb with the low sulfer and then took off w/ the ultra mandate. The extra money is suppose to cover the cost to refine it or whatever is done. I think it just goes in goverments pickets.
I sentice you talk like gassers is crap then come back like diesels are crap. I dunno what your saying. Please break it down in redneck terms.

 

Okay......gotcha. And I can understand differing points of view. But how many redundant points and posts are there in this thread? Seriously and I'm not being a smartazz here. Honestly, I'm a diesel guy. My '05 is a great truck and I love driving it. But I also recognize that there are differences in preferences when it comes to trucks and while a diesel works great for me, it doesn't for everybody. Personally, I'd love to have a V10. They are fantastic trucks and it is an outstanding engine. Anyone who doesn't respect the V10 for the engine it is, is just going through life with blinders on.

I'm neutral on the subject and have stayed that way. I've also stayed out of the thread for the most part so I could be objective and try to keep things on an even keel here. I won't take sides because I think both engines are great, period.

ON EDIT: I'm not singling you out Exiled. I've seen you give credit to the V10 and gassers in general.

 

I was never thrilled with the mileage I got with my V10 but I never expected it to be great. I got pretty close to what I expected. I can say if they told me the plant ran out of 6.2 engines and they wanted to know if they could substitute it with a 6.8 V10 I would jump at it. My 05 V10 was the nicest motor I have owned. Smooth, powerful, and fun to drive. It makes a 4 ton truck feel like a sports car and it never gave me a minute of grief.

 

I didn't think you was. The 6.8l will rule the gas world for sometime. It still has no equal. The 6.2l just seems to me Fords attempt to consuladate the 5.4 and 6.8ls.

 

I know there is a few in the V10 forum.
Heck of a lot of box vans and the like with a lot of miles on them running the V10
Mine got ~14.5mpg towing 8k.
Admittedly that is here in CA where there is a 55mph speed limit on trailers which I (kinda) adhere to.
Your maths is spot on.
But I tell you which one you will have a much easier time selling - and will more likely to get that price for.
For better or worse (as we see here) the average consumer holds the belief that the diesel engine (in particular the 7.3) is a much more valuable commodity.


For this very reason I wanted a gas engine in my truck - the economics made more sense. However finding one within my budget, 4x4, manual trans and preferably SC or CC was almost impossible in a gas truck (it was hard enough to find a diesel!).

 

I come in to check out the humor! This thread is better then any morning talk show on the radio!

If one subject is getting dragged on to long or it starts to mellow out in here I tend to throw something out there to get people going again. I can't help it, I just find it hilarious!

 

You spend a lot of time talking about California, while it seems you generalize about diesels being the better choice for everyone. It isn't. Here in New York, especially on Long Island, diesel IS the same price as 93 octane. I found one station where it isn't, and it's still $.20 more for diesel than 87 octane there which puts it above 89 octane. Weird thing is, I don't see long lines of trucks there to fill up neither.

And let's not forget, the V10 was only supposed to be 14% of the market, according to Ford's marketing literature back in the early-to-mid 2000's. I suspect that hasn't changed much over the years, if not in fact went down.

That perception is changing. There are the generally over-manly group who think that truck nuts are cool, and you can't have a truck without a diesel, that's for sure. But I never EVER see a V10 sitting on the lots around here for long. And I do look.

But in general, both in business, and personal use, people ARE afraid of diesels. I can get almost any businessperson here on Long Island in a corner, alone, and they will easily admit, without any prompting, that don't want a diesel and it's headaches. But get them in a group and they won't admit it. Why? It's like admitting they have erectile dysfunction

Just checked Autotrader in a 50 mile radius from my home. 62 results for F250's, ONE was a V10. And I've been watching closely and see about 1 in 10 trucks has a V10 which jibes with the 14% marketing figure. The people that have them keep them, and if they do sell, they sell QUICK.

Here. On Long Island.

 

Does anyone have an idea how many hot shot haulers prefer gas powered trucks vs diesels?

How many V-10's will make it to 200K without a rebuild, and hauling at their max rating for 90% of the time. A people mover can make it. Punish it with heavy loads, and mountains, and it'll give up the ghost in about 100K.

I live in Vegas and the roads we travel on out of town most frequently, have major grades to be overcome. To visit our vacation property we have to climb over 6000' as we travel. Things are also more spread out here. An average weekend trip for us is >250miles one way. Add the heat of the desert, and an +11K# toy hauler with the aerodynamic profile of a brick, and the diesel is a better choice for us.

I can imagine there aren't too many light duty diesels on LI. Most are probably commercial vehicles. What would be the point for the regular guy? How many people on LI have big trailers they haul off the island on a regular basis? I know the bridges and ferrys make access a royal PITA.

I'm not a gas motor hater at all, and as has been said before, everyone has different needs. The operational environment of the vehicle has a lot to do with it's perceived performance.

 

Are you throwing diesel, or gas on the fire?

 

Better use gas, diesel might put it out.

 

I see what your saying. Around here anyone will tell you in a group they are worried about the diesel troubles. That's not just for Fords either. That goes for chevy and dodge and them other little ugly trucks. (I don't know what they are called). My truck is a woman. She doesn't have nuts, she wears a cow bell under her hitch. Diesels woes are just famious I guess. I reckon that's goes with the larger unit numbers.
You lose me when you say there's no lines to get diesel at the station but then you say you know there's more diesels than gassers and even use sale list to comfirm it. That sounds like an oximoron to me.

 

And you know this, HOW?

Really, this is what most of the bickering is about, this "it won't do this, it won't do that" stuff. Without having done it, how can you say it will or won't?

Just because gassers of yester-year wouldn't make it, how do you know the V10 won't?

And even using THAT logic, you are incorrect if you are. My brother had 330MDs in an F600 where he hauled heavy (>20K) EVERY DAY for years. Yes, they wore out by the 150K mile mark and he had to re-ring and redo the heads. But they used high-tension rings, and cast-iron valve guides (no guide at all, the cast-iron head WAS the guide), and the oil wasn't up to today's standards. And he had to run them HARD to get anything out of them.

And that's only a 330MD, not a 330HD which would last basically forever.

With modern materials and high tolerance machine work as is used today, those 330MDs would last twice as long.