Have you towed with a stock 460 or 7.3?

 

Never towed with a 460, but have driven an '02 Supercab long bed AT 7.3L 5-8 times every winter for the past 5 years. I tow our snowmobiles to our cabin pulling a mid 90's 4 place steel covered snowmobile trailer with 3 800cc sleds and one 700cc. I have no idea what the trailer weighs, but each sled is approx 500-600 lbs. The truck doesn't even slow down hauling 6 hours at 70MPH regardless of the terrain with 4 guys in the cab and enough gear, food and beverages for 4 days. The trailer is a flat front like this and is 30' long:



Granted, up here in MI we do not have near the hills that are in NC and the surrounding areas, but I was impressed with the towing nonetheless of a bigger truck going north on I75. You can get an idea of the terrain on google maps.

 

I'm not going to dispute numbers cause all you did was drop me 10 on both. Here's the thing there wasn't a modular 2v v8 w/ over 350 fts until 04 with the 3v 5.4l. Then the v8 didn't get over 365 ftlb until 09 or 10. Which was around 390-395 still on the 3v 5.4l.
The horsepower so close to the tq it shows that the engine is a more proficient motor. The horsepower will also tell what your tq is doing at that rpm.
Just because something has turning more rpms doesn't mean it traveling faster. Ie a moutain bike. If your in the highest gear your pedals is doing more rpms but you aint getting anywhere fast. Lowest gear getting somewhere a lot faster less rpm. Very crude yes but only way I type what I'm thinking.
The tq of the 460 will pull as fast or faster than your 5.4l. Its the stronger motor. But its going to use a lot of fuel to do it though. The 5.4 is going to pull the same load more proficient than the 460 but not out pull it. The 09 or 10s. I can see that happening.

 

you've got this backwards sir.

low gears are higher numerically (ie 4.30) requires a higher RPM at speed X
high gears are lower numerically (ie 3.55) will require a lower RPM at speed X

and i believe the proper term is efficient, not proficient.

just an FYI, we don't anyone to place a bet based on your comments and loose.

 

Call me crazy too but my 06 5.4 will out pull the two 460s that i have used to pull the exact same trailer up the exact same hill. I'm not a 5.4 vs the world guy but the 460 was just not as strong as i feel it should have been. I'm sure a diesel or V10 would kill me though.

 

I am not familiar with all those engines, but I know the technology in last decade made huge progress in engine designs (not that Ford is a leader in the field).
A decade ago I drove 300 HP rated BMW. The car had 12-cylinders and having dual computers could "make it home on 1/2 engine working while still maintaining close to 100 mph"
Now BWM builds 6 cylinders with more than 300 HP.
My 7.3 PSD might be strong in reliability and torque department, but I am not comparing its 230 HP to 350 HP in new engines.

 

That is a common misconception of "power" but in reality it is actually low rpm torque (thank the turbo) that allows the vehicle to hold speed without shifting on smaller grades. You would notice similar characteristics if you pulled the same load with an Ecoboost equipped F-150.

 

ya'll cant quit can ya?...... let me set ya straight, every momaluke in here would have a diesel 6sp stick of thay could, second would 5.4, 6.2.......v10 is a turd wanabe


now lets have a brew!

 

FYI that is what I said. Lower gears taller. Higher gears small. Lots of rpm going no where. I'm very glad your good at grammer. Did you know what I mean? I think you did.
My example was a "gearing lesson" but just an attempt<is that right?« To explain that just saying higher rpm of 2 different engines doesn't mean its traveling across the land faster.
There is of course a problem with what you said. I'm only pointing it out because you might not know it. Your gears are number on bikes, cars, trucks, motorscycles. 1st- 4th,5th, or even 6th. Can be as high as 10-? On big tractors "semis". If you where to start normal is 1st gear you can gain speed at a lower rpm than if you started at a higher number gear. If you start in 5th you will have to turn more rpms to get moving. If you try to take out in 5th with a manual tranny with low rpms it'll die.
If you had been following this or other type threads you would have know that I know the differences between a low/gear is. I've done gear to tq ratio math in several posts.
What your describing is final drive. We're not talking final drive. Your not pulling a hill @ redline in final drive. So by what and you didn't mean too but your supporting my example. If he drops to 3rd or 2nd and I drop to 4th or 3rd @ lower rpm I going faster. Thank you for the nail.
BTW FYI FWIW I believe you left out the word "want". "We don't anybody" really doesn't make sense.

 

I have. My 93 had a 460 in it. You could move anything you wanted but it was just about cheaper to hire someone to do it for you. We still have a lot of grain trucks around here. I don't see how they can afford to haul 600-700 bushel with them.

 

You just reaffirmed every stereotype I've heard about rednecks. Including the ones about education.

WTF is a "mamaluke"?

 

This is something I've been saying. Of course the turbo is the diesels source for its power. I wished I had been around the none turboed psd and seen how the pulled. I wonder what was their appel.

 

we are what you call modern rednecks. the people on this forum are no different than bubba and leroy comparing their trucks infront of their single wide. we just do it on the computer or cell phone. its always going to be my truck beats yours and so on. nobody would turn down a free 2011 super duty if it had a gas or diesel in it. i would just trade the gas burner for a diesel. because we all know deep down inside, diesel beats gas at towing!

 

yes true but it comes down to them making mony filtering exast is just a way for them to make mony. I would like to no how a cadlitick converter dose that when it just gos out the tell pips

 

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