If there were no willing participants, it wouldn't still be going ... So how many posts did YOU add to this?

 

Yup some guys from work died from using a kerosene heater a few years back when they were out hunting. They had one in a large army type canvas tent. Went to bed and never woke up. They all died.

 

It has to be really cold before I will use one of those heaters. And, it has to be in a well ventilated building. I have worked in garages that have them, and come home with pounding headaches. They do have their place I guess, but I would not want to use one as a primary heat source. I always thought that burning kerosene in a heater not vented outside would be like running a car or truck inside with the doors and windows closed. Where do the fumes go? Most folks I know that have those heaters use diesel fuel now. With the sulfur content down as low as it is, you can hardly tell a difference in the smell when they are burning.

And to make sure this thread stays on track, let me say that a PSD is a better engine because I can (if necessary) siphon fuel out of my truck to power a kerosene heater.

 

Not a bad way to go.


7.3>all

 

Never nice to go, but yes it is painless and you would never know. It was quite sad as the one guy lived around the corner from me and we caught the bus to work together. He had a wife and two kids, one was about 3 and the other a baby if I recall. It was about 10 years back or so.

As for the thread, yup we are getting way off track....

 

youre right, and i knew better than get involved (not the first XX vs XX thread ive commented on), but curiosity (and perhaps testosterone) gets the best of me sometimes. i shoulda known facts/reasoning/physics couldnt convince anyone that their 6.8 is inferior. . .why else would they own them? theyve obviously already ignored, accepted, or have been oblivious to the facts since/when they bought it. OR got one hellofa deal on the truck, which in any and all cases, is completely understandable.

 

Some of us also recognize that both engines offer something the other doesn't. And, with that in mind, it's up to each buyer to make up their own mind as to which one they want.

 

What continues to drive some of this thread is the fact that the diesel owners continue to consider their engines superior, 100% of the time. They aren't.

For me, my V10 is superior to any diesel burner for reasons that matter TO ME.

If you like your diesel, that's fine. I never EVER told anyone that has a diesel that they should sell it and get a V10 because it's better.

As I've tried to say in the past in this thread, I DECIDE what matters TO ME.

I think most of the V10ers have been pretty much saying the same thing. TO THEM they made the right decision.

The fact that we get a bunch of oil-burners here who continue to tell us we're wrong is what keeps driving this thread. The smug know-it-all attitude has to be countered

 

Huh??? Is this not the kettle calling the pot black? V10 owners are not sweet little victems here. They have out right said a v10 will out pull any psd in any situation. I have have not said that a diesel engine is better and I have stated several times that v10 is faster and pull just as much weight. I've even confessed there is no return on up keep cost. Really and truely the diesel guys only point is that under a strain the diesel has the advantage and yall argue that. So don't blame us that yall can't give credit is due.
My stand..... Yall are not going to out tow me..... Period my knowledge of how to use my tool and the power that my tool pervides me inables me to be right there with you. I'll stay w/ you up to 55 mph cause that's as fast as I drive. Period. If you want to agrue that go ahead.
Does burning kero put off CO? I would think that it would. Anything burning a fuel and oxygen puts off co2 and co. I hope I got those right. I don't habe my chart w/ me and to lazy for google right now.
Co2 carbon dioxide burned oxgen co carbon monoxided burned fuel, potrolume based?
Anyway the co detectors pick up at a level. I would think its a level lower than what's harmful to humans etc etc. Just because my co doenst go off doesn't mean that its not there just not at a level. Ppm or ppb etc. I don't care what you say 30 out of my 40 yrs I've lived w/ kero heaters in the house. I agree its dangerious but doesn't mean automatic death. A car in gargage shut in is very close to automatic death.

 

I have owned both and must agree. I enjoyed driving the V10 more than the diesels. It is sportier so to speak. As for towing a V10 will not out tow the 6.0, 6.4, or the 6.7. The diesels have far more torque. You can gain torque through gears to give the V10 more towing ability, but the same can be done for the Diesel. The V10's 457 torque will not out pull a diesel with 579 (6.0), 650 (6.4) or 800 on the new 6.7. The only way it can be done is by trying to gain mechanical advantage through gearing which is changing the stock setup. If you change the stock setup on the diesel the V10 won't have a hope.
With all that said my choice is still to go back to gas. That is just what works for me and my situation. If I was towing all the time I would more than likely stay with a diesel. Like it has been said many times in here everyone has different needs and wants.

 

Its as if all the gasers think that the diesels only come w/ 3:73s. I was lucky that my truck had 4:11s. I wouldn't have bought it if it hadn't. I like the spunk that the 6.8 puts out.
It goes with saying w/ gas you can really raise the horsepower and not do do much for the tq. What I mean is 4.6 and 5.4s almost never broke 400 ftlbs of tq and both has been right near 400 hp. 05-06 mustang gts w/ the 5.4 4v supercharged is the only exception where is had 550 hp and 500 tq. Really if you compare power over cu.in. The 6.8 isn't really the most impressive engine released by ford. But that is just because they didn't do anything to it to bump the power up. I'm real sure they can put in a dohc 4v heads supercharge it and it would pull some ungodly numbers. With diesel it seems like the more horses you give it. It makes more tq.
I like the v10 but the diesel just fits my needs better.

 

this is solely because of the operating range of the diesel. at 5252 rpm, hp and torque are always equal. there are 7,000 rpm sled pullers w/ p-pumped 5.9's makin well over 2000 hp less torque. the closer the max rpm (while sustaining the ability to continue power production) gets to 5252, the closer the numbers get to a 1:1 ratio. most redline at 4000 or less, and pretty much maintain a 2:1 torque to hp ratio.

the main reason the 6.8 isnt the most impressive gasser released by ford, is because of its low compression. they werent makin a high performance motor, rather somethin that would run on 87 and have the the torque at a low enough rpm that it could be used in a truck. its still around cuz of the horrible reputation of the 7.3's successors. if it were 10.5-11:1, or had a supercharger, it would be much more impressive (although i still wouldnt be impressed).

 

The problem with the "disiel can be geared logic" is once you get much past 411,430 area. Gasser running 3000+ rpm in top gear st highway speed, not ideal but will do it. The psd running 3000+ in top geAr how long until it overheats? Or worse

 

less wear than the 3000rpm of the gas motor. . .

there are generators that work at 3000 rpm for days at a time, with a lot of load. boats, same thing (not run for days) but plenty are run at 3500 without breakin a sweat. . .

3000 for a diesel is nothin, just like its nothin for a gasser.

 

VW had gas heaters in their cars as far back as the 1950's. It's all in how it is used.

Gore's statement was about as effective as this thread.



You know what, you're right. You convinced me to go buy a PSD tomorrow. Too bad I can't afford the extra money up front and higher maintenance and cost per gallon of fuel.

Or because not all of us want a diesel? V10 does all I need (and more) at far less expense than a diesel.