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Old May 26, 2011 | 11:48 AM
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You lose me when you say there's no lines to get diesel at the station but then you say you know there's more diesels than gassers and even use sale list to comfirm it. That sounds like an oximoron to me.
I meant that at THAT PARTICULAR gas station where the diesel is so much cheaper than everywhere else, I don't see lines of trucks buying it. When they first started selling diesel a few years ago, there WERE a lot of trucks there all the time. Now, I don't see anyone buying diesel there.

Why would diesel be $4.15/gal in one place, but $4.39 everywhere else? Both 40 cetane, too, I checked (according to the pump sticker, anyway).
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 11:56 AM
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Wow, prices are dropping fast. $3.93/gal for 87, $4.13 to $4.15 for 93 octane.

And just about the same for diesel as 93 octane.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by william_04_x
Does anyone have an idea how many hot shot haulers prefer gas powered trucks vs diesels?

How many V-10's will make it to 200K without a rebuild, and hauling at their max rating for 90% of the time. A people mover can make it. Punish it with heavy loads, and mountains, and it'll give up the ghost in about 100K.
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Not sure numbers wise, but my 01s original owner hauled hotshot.

I have never heard of a V10 worn out in 200k. I have seen them dead at that mileage, but they all died of lack of oil, wrong filter or my favorite, 120k without an oil change.

What makes you think that 100k miles is all the V10 can take towing? That just shows that you know little about them.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 12:57 PM
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[quote=Trey;10386069]LMFAO!!! 779 pages!?!?!?!

I own a 2005 F550 with a 6.0 PSD






For a minute there I thought you were talking about the number of pages of TSB's for the 6 leakers.

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Old May 26, 2011 | 02:39 PM
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For a minute there I thought you were talking about the number of pages of TSB's for the 6 leakers.

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Are you sure he's not?
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 03:00 PM
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Hey guys help me out. I've crunched some numbers of all kinds of engine specs. I've found that from peak tq to peak hp is the tq curve. After peak hp tq drops off. Tq is the same at peak hp as is when it peaks. So incunclusion the specs are not numbers to adveryise the engine but they tell you where your range is. Some of yall might have already knew this. I think its cool. It kinda shoots hp over tq in the foot.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 03:20 PM
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never take HP over torque. Ive said it before "horsepower sells engines, torque wins races."
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 03:50 PM
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Horsepower rules. Torque can be manipulated with gearing.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by truckerboy
never take HP over torque. Ive said it before "horsepower sells engines, torque wins races."
Horsepower does sell engines but all its telling you is where your powerband is. If they said peak tq is between 2200 and 3400 rpms you just do the math and have your hp. Telling you the hp they give you both big numbers. Its just a shame that the world is hung up on horsepower.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by william_04_x
Horsepower rules. Torque can be manipulated with gearing.
You can manipulate more tq w/ more tq.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
Why would diesel be $4.15/gal in one place, but $4.39 everywhere else? Both 40 cetane, too, I checked (according to the pump sticker, anyway).
I can't answer that question. I don't understand gas/diesel prices. I understand why diesel isn't .25 anymore. Like you fuel prices is all over the board all over our country. I kinda understand state to state differences because of taxes but right across the street?
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by exiled
Horsepower does sell engines but all its telling you is where your powerband is. If they said peak tq is between 2200 and 3400 rpms you just do the math and have your hp. Telling you the hp they give you both big numbers. Its just a shame that the world is hung up on horsepower.
All the torque in the world means nothing without HP. That 1500lb/ft at 1 RPM that came up is less than 1/3 of a HP. That wont get you very far.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 06:06 PM
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The truth is that it is HP that makes torque, but commonly when we talk about diesels -we are talking about usable torque.
F1 engines have huge HP, but they peak it at 6 digits rpm, so how would you use it in city traffic, or starting at green light with 20,000 lb set?
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by william_04_x
Horsepower rules. Torque can be manipulated with gearing.
Originally Posted by william_04_x
All the torque in the world means nothing without HP. That 1500lb/ft at 1 RPM that came up is less than 1/3 of a HP. That wont get you very far.
Exactly. You need power and torque across an RPM band to pull well.
The V10 and PSD both have that, one just uses more RPM and the other uses more torque.

The PSDs shortcoming is the fact it can't make torque at higher RPM.
The V10s shortcoming is that the overall torque number is lower.
 
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Old May 26, 2011 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by william_04_x
That 1500lb/ft at 1 RPM that came up is less than 1/3 of a HP. That wont get you very far.
I was down in Weaverville CA last weekend looking at an antique saw mill. It had a single cylinder 15HP @350RPM gas/diesel 64 inch (8" bore 8" stroke) motor running it. The thing was wild, you started it on gas and once it warmes up you switch it over to diesel. I wouldn't want to hazard a guess at the TQ output of that thing...I just know it would throw a 72" circular blade through a 36" pine log without breaking a sweat. It had a 50% overdrive so the blade was turning 700RPM.

the reason I bring this up is I have several 15 HP electric irrigation pumps at home. They have nowhere near the TQ of that 100+ year old gas/diesel contraption. In the race at the saw mill TQ gets the job done, just like everywhere else.
 
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