Gas vs PSD
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Does the fact that it downshifted make it weak or that it cant do the job just as good? We have been saying all along that the v10 needs to turn more rpms to do the same job. For example, from idle to about 2,800 rpm's my OBS 7.3 makes more power than a 3v v10 and the v10 will downshift before me on the same hills. Does that make my 7.3 stronger or better than the v10? Downshift and the v10 will leave me in the dust like I was sitting still.
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Does the fact that it downshifted make it weak or that it cant do the job just as good? We have been saying all along that the v10 needs to turn more rpms to do the same job. For example, from idle to about 2,800 rpm's my OBS 7.3 makes more power than a 3v v10 and the v10 will downshift before me on the same hills. Does that make my 7.3 stronger or better than the v10? Downshift and the v10 will leave me in the dust like I was sitting still.[/quote]
In my line of work[ farming, right of way mowing, custom harvesting and everything in between] i could not always rev my v 10 up high enough to hit the sweet spot but my diesels are always in their sweet spots. So i will never own another gas engine unless its a half ton.
In my line of work[ farming, right of way mowing, custom harvesting and everything in between] i could not always rev my v 10 up high enough to hit the sweet spot but my diesels are always in their sweet spots. So i will never own another gas engine unless its a half ton.
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In my line of work[ farming, right of way mowing, custom harvesting and everything in between] i could not always rev my v 10 up high enough to hit the sweet spot but my diesels are always in their sweet spots. So i will never own another gas engine unless its a half ton.
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PorchFarms brings up another point: buying a gas half-ton. Recently a freind bought a fairly new (don't know the year) F150 with a 5.4 and it's a really nice truck. So nice it got me to thinking about them and wondering if they might be a good fit for me. It didn't take long to figure out that it would not. First off, the crew cab I need (there's that word NEED) is not available with a full-size bed in an F150. More importantly, in real world driving, the 5.4 F150 doesn't get any better mileage than my F250 with a V10, plus it won't tow what my truck will. Not only that, but used F150's aren't much (if any) cheaper than what I paid for my F250 Lariat. Again, I'm sure that just like diesels, they are great trucks and I truely hope their owners are thrilled with them, but not for me.
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6.0 for me
I've owned both a 2005 F-250 Harley Davidson edition with the V-10 and now a 2006 F-250 Harley Davidson edition with the 6.0L. Hands down I would say my 6.0 is the stronger and more capable hauler of the 2 trucks. I haul a 37 ft, 9500k travel trailer, a 30 ft V-nose snowmobile trailer and smaller trailers ranging in weight from 4k to 1k. Towing the travel trailer I could expect mpg in the range of 6.5 to 8 depending on hills and wind with the V-10. The truck had a 4.10 rear end and was otherwise stock. My 6.0 hauls the same trailer over the same route with 2 to 6 mpg better(again depending on hills and wind) with a lot fewer downshifts (3.73 rearend). I could maintain my speeds better with the 6.0 and of course the smaller tank on the V-10 meant a fuel range of under 200 miles.
Yes the 6.0 is more costly to maintain and repair but thankfully for me its been a reliable truck so far. I'm sure the V-10 has its place but for my needs the diesel fits the bill alot better.
Yes the 6.0 is more costly to maintain and repair but thankfully for me its been a reliable truck so far. I'm sure the V-10 has its place but for my needs the diesel fits the bill alot better.
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Me too...enough that I'm considering just waiting and buying a 6.7 next year.
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For moving heavy loads at slow speeds, the diesel is a better option, assuming both are automatics, because like you said it is in its sweet spot as soon as you press the gas pedal. That being said, I would take a 5.4 with a manual over a psd with an automatic for those same jobs though.
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I've owned both a 2005 F-250 Harley Davidson edition with the V-10 and now a 2006 F-250 Harley Davidson edition with the 6.0L. Hands down I would say my 6.0 is the stronger and more capable hauler of the 2 trucks. I haul a 37 ft, 9500k travel trailer, a 30 ft V-nose snowmobile trailer and smaller trailers ranging in weight from 4k to 1k. Towing the travel trailer I could expect mpg in the range of 6.5 to 8 depending on hills and wind with the V-10. The truck had a 4.10 rear end and was otherwise stock. My 6.0 hauls the same trailer over the same route with 2 to 6 mpg better(again depending on hills and wind) with a lot fewer downshifts (3.73 rearend). I could maintain my speeds better with the 6.0 and of course the smaller tank on the V-10 meant a fuel range of under 200 miles.
Yes the 6.0 is more costly to maintain and repair but thankfully for me its been a reliable truck so far. I'm sure the V-10 has its place but for my needs the diesel fits the bill alot better.
Yes the 6.0 is more costly to maintain and repair but thankfully for me its been a reliable truck so far. I'm sure the V-10 has its place but for my needs the diesel fits the bill alot better.
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My buddy Had an 05 F-150 with the 5.4 it was pretty doggish...that is till he Supercharged it then it was Badass, However he has Horses and regularly pulls he traded it in on an 06 F-250 with the 6leeker. His truck is nice and Its a problem free 6.0.
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In general, we won't for one very big reason: The V10 is a better choice for us.
I'm not saying my V10 can out-haul anyone or anything. And those here that do, well, they do have their points.
But seriously, get off that high horse and realize we don't need to agree to anything
I'm not saying my V10 can out-haul anyone or anything. And those here that do, well, they do have their points.
But seriously, get off that high horse and realize we don't need to agree to anything
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For the most part they do agree. What I gather their agruement is that @ 5k rpms their 37 hp is out pulling 100 lbs and going leave us behind. They know that the gas is running thru it as fast as it pumped in it. Some seem to believe its bullet proof and suppose to be ran at WOT. Of course this chatter on the boards. Its not what is seen in a working enviroment.