Gas vs PSD
Post Fiend
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From: McKenzie River
Just cruised the Ford lot, killing time...........looking at stickers on SDs, V-10 and PSDs..
Holy crap!!!...59K!!!!
I would like to know how much HP, torque, and "tractive force" is required to pull that kind of money out of a guys bank account!?.......for a truck?
My first house only cost $32,500!!!
Holy crap!!!...59K!!!!
I would like to know how much HP, torque, and "tractive force" is required to pull that kind of money out of a guys bank account!?.......for a truck?
My first house only cost $32,500!!!
Posting Guru
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From: Rogue River, Oregon
A freind and I were just discussing this at work today, oddly enough. What does the financing look like on a $60K truck? I mean, like you our home cost little by today's standards ( $75K) but we still had to get a 30 year loan at the time and the payments were $550 monthly. What the hell kinda payments are guys making to get a $60K truck paid off in 5-7 years?
Cargo Master
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My number is "actual" too, it is just using fuel prices for where I live. I even used $2.42 for gas since that is the average, even though there is a station 3 miles from me that is $2.30. Diesel ranges from $2.85 to $2.90 here. So I used the higher value for gas and lower value for diesel and still only came up with $116 in savings for the diesel.
Elder User
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From: Ohio
A freind and I were just discussing this at work today, oddly enough. What does the financing look like on a $60K truck? I mean, like you our home cost little by today's standards ( $75K) but we still had to get a 30 year loan at the time and the payments were $550 monthly. What the hell kinda payments are guys making to get a $60K truck paid off in 5-7 years?
You're looking at $1,000 + unless you are putting down a BIG down payment.
Cargo Master
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A freind and I were just discussing this at work today, oddly enough. What does the financing look like on a $60K truck? I mean, like you our home cost little by today's standards ( $75K) but we still had to get a 30 year loan at the time and the payments were $550 monthly. What the hell kinda payments are guys making to get a $60K truck paid off in 5-7 years?
In june I had a quote written up on a 2011 PSD King Ranch out the door $54,000 @ 6.4% the payment was around $930.
Postmaster
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From: SE Texas
I would point few things to consider before final conclusion.
1. -1.5 gallons difference is 17% mileage.
2. What is "just over"? Could it make additional 2%?
3. What speed was it exactly? My truck will save about 15% of fuel if I slow down from 65 to 60 mph. So if he was going at 65, you at 60 that might be additional 15% difference.
4. Just because you drove at the same, or similar speed, doesn't mean you averaged the same. If you crawl the hills and he zoomed at 65 mph, that could easy make up to 20% difference in driving time.
Bottom line -doing possible adjustments in the basic data we might come to 30-40% fuel consumption difference. Or looking the other way the same mpg.
I don't even bother to consider such calculations unless they are on long distance trips and I know total driving times on the same distance.
1. -1.5 gallons difference is 17% mileage.
2. What is "just over"? Could it make additional 2%?
3. What speed was it exactly? My truck will save about 15% of fuel if I slow down from 65 to 60 mph. So if he was going at 65, you at 60 that might be additional 15% difference.
4. Just because you drove at the same, or similar speed, doesn't mean you averaged the same. If you crawl the hills and he zoomed at 65 mph, that could easy make up to 20% difference in driving time.
Bottom line -doing possible adjustments in the basic data we might come to 30-40% fuel consumption difference. Or looking the other way the same mpg.
I don't even bother to consider such calculations unless they are on long distance trips and I know total driving times on the same distance.
As usual, you conveniently omit that diesel fuel was then and still is over $.30 gallon higher in cost.
We both drive the same, and have known each other for many years. Oddly enough we both respect what each other's vehicles do and don't try to convince the other that "my" vehicle is better.The funny thing is that I based much of my decision to purchase a V10 Excursion on the experience I have with his 7.3L Excursion.
Matter of fact-they have 2 of them there that are identical-even the color. One of them is his,and the other his in-law's. BOTH of those 7.3L Excursions get an absolute best of 17mpg on the highway, and an average in mixed driving of 13-14 mpg. Our V10 Excursion get a best of 15 on the highway,and an averaged mixed of 11.5-12.5. There was simply not any justification on fuel mileage alone for the extra cost and the hassle of finding a 7.3L Excursion when we were shopping.
Why are you still here anyway? I can assure you that REAL Americans don't want, nor do we desire your "Elitist European" opinion when all you want to do is tell us how stupid we all are about everything.
JL
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From: WV
I traded my 2000 7.3 with 113k miles last year for a 2010 6.8 for several reasons, one of which was the difference in fuel price and the $7500 price option for the diesel engine versus $600 for the V10. I filled up yesterday with gas @2.59 per gal and diesel at the same station was 3.15 per gal. It's normal in my area for diesel to be between 30 and 60 cents higher per gallon; using your calculations I'm wondering if I am still ahead by purchasing the gas engine instead of the diesel. My 7.3 was 2wd and averaged 17mpg in mixed driving and the 4wd 6.8 is averaging around 12 mpg. I don't put many miles on the truck as you can see by the low mileage on the 7.3; the 6.8 is 10 months old and has about 9000 miles on it so far.
Mike
Mike
Regardless, given the mileage you're driving, if the PSD would have saved you money, it would have been a very tiny amount compared to what you paid for the truck and will spend on it. But I doubt you are going to lose anything to the PSD.
BTW, I to went from a 7.3 to the 6.8, ironically the 7.3 was a 2x4 and the 6.8 was a 4x4 too. But before the 7.3 I pulled with a Chevy 454, so I've used gas engines, but do prefer diesel for towing.
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From: WV
I'm sorry either yall misunderstood me or I misunderstood yall. If the v10 is getting 8mpg and the 6.0 is getting 12mpg the 6.0 is still getting 40 miles more out of 10 gals of fuel. Nowq that is with 4mpg gap between the 2. W/ 3mpg gap the adjusted cost is $2 less for the 6.0 on 10 gals of fuel. I'm not cal. Miles traveled. I'm figuring on fuel burnt. Now prices here a hour. Ago was still $2.55 and $2.85. If your prices are something else then yea you got to change the adjusted cost. The only thing I was saying was the gap was still the same on 8 and 12 mpg.
I'm just pointing out that when you start towing the fuel saving of the diesel becomes even greater than when empty, even if the mpg difference between the two engines is the same.
Regardless, these number are only an example using the fuel price in my area on fuel that could double in price when we wake up the next day because of some religous ratical group. So it is all speculation at best.
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From: WV
So, same route, really close to the same load,and that's not good enough for you?
As usual, you conveniently omit that diesel fuel was then and still is over $.30 gallon higher in cost.
We both drive the same, and have known each other for many years. Oddly enough we both respect what each other's vehicles do and don't try to convince the other that "my" vehicle is better.The funny thing is that I based much of my decision to purchase a V10 Excursion on the experience I have with his 7.3L Excursion.
Matter of fact-they have 2 of them there that are identical-even the color. One of them is his,and the other his in-law's. BOTH of those 7.3L Excursions get an absolute best of 17mpg on the highway, and an average in mixed driving of 13-14 mpg. Our V10 Excursion get a best of 15 on the highway,and an averaged mixed of 11.5-12.5. There was simply not any justification on fuel mileage alone for the extra cost and the hassle of finding a 7.3L Excursion when we were shopping.
Why are you still here anyway? I can assure you that REAL Americans don't want, nor do we desire your "Elitist European" opinion when all you want to do is tell us how stupid we all are about everything.
JL
As usual, you conveniently omit that diesel fuel was then and still is over $.30 gallon higher in cost.
We both drive the same, and have known each other for many years. Oddly enough we both respect what each other's vehicles do and don't try to convince the other that "my" vehicle is better.The funny thing is that I based much of my decision to purchase a V10 Excursion on the experience I have with his 7.3L Excursion.
Matter of fact-they have 2 of them there that are identical-even the color. One of them is his,and the other his in-law's. BOTH of those 7.3L Excursions get an absolute best of 17mpg on the highway, and an average in mixed driving of 13-14 mpg. Our V10 Excursion get a best of 15 on the highway,and an averaged mixed of 11.5-12.5. There was simply not any justification on fuel mileage alone for the extra cost and the hassle of finding a 7.3L Excursion when we were shopping.
Why are you still here anyway? I can assure you that REAL Americans don't want, nor do we desire your "Elitist European" opinion when all you want to do is tell us how stupid we all are about everything.
JL
Postmaster
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From: CA Bay Area
From where we live we do have 550 miles to Las Vegas, where almost all our friends drove the cars at one time or the other. I drive my car at 80 mph and most of them drive their cars at about the same. I routinely make the trip in 8 hr, the best friend in 10 hr, while some take over 12hr. So much for the same speed and taking man's word.
Cargo Master
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I'm just pointing out that when you start towing the fuel saving of the diesel becomes even greater than when empty, even if the mpg difference between the two engines is the same.
Regardless, these number are only an example using the fuel price in my area on fuel that could double in price when we wake up the next day because of some religous ratical group. So it is all speculation at best.
Regardless, these number are only an example using the fuel price in my area on fuel that could double in price when we wake up the next day because of some religous ratical group. So it is all speculation at best.
Hotshot
Joined: Mar 2007
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From: Pa
Just cruised the Ford lot, killing time...........looking at stickers on SDs, V-10 and PSDs..
Holy crap!!!...59K!!!!
I would like to know how much HP, torque, and "tractive force" is required to pull that kind of money out of a guys bank account!?.......for a truck?
My first house only cost $32,500!!!
Holy crap!!!...59K!!!!
I would like to know how much HP, torque, and "tractive force" is required to pull that kind of money out of a guys bank account!?.......for a truck?
My first house only cost $32,500!!!