Gas vs PSD
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Because the PSD had to evolve to deal with emissions changes. And I'm sorry, but '06 wasn't the change from the 7.3 to the 6.0 (because of emissions), and the 6.4 came out in 2008. Not 2006.
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The whoever asked about the F650/750, it's 2012 that Ford is introducing the V10 with the 6-speed in those trucks. It remains in the F450/550 chassis cab.
Also, the 6.2 came out to replace the 5.4, and was "close enough" to the V10 that it became ridiculous to produce two different engines in one platform. With the 6-speed, it's gas mileage is darn good.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the MPG argument is moot between the 6.7 and the 6.2
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The whoever asked about the F650/750, it's 2012 that Ford is introducing the V10 with the 6-speed in those trucks. It remains in the F450/550 chassis cab.
Also, the 6.2 came out to replace the 5.4, and was "close enough" to the V10 that it became ridiculous to produce two different engines in one platform. With the 6-speed, it's gas mileage is darn good.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the MPG argument is moot between the 6.7 and the 6.2
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Diesels have been using turbos for a lot of years. I just wish gas engines would have accepted the use of them on a larger scale. My wife has a subaru forester with a 2.5 turbo charged engine. That car really runs!!
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No, you picked a road with an elevation higher than 99 percent of the roads in america because you know the psd will have a huge advantage there. A v10 on vail pass has the same hp as a 1996 4.6 at my elevation. We have all agreed that virtually any psd will win on a road at that elevation. Tom had to slow down against a 2v v10 with a 3.73 and 4 speed. I didn't see him slowing down against johnny even though johnny had a lot more weight.
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Although if they have the same amount of loss for emissions, the diesel should still be about 30% better than the diesel just because of it's high energy content. It would however, put them on more equal playing field.
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Maybe you need to explain that to your little sand man friend...and Bill too. Both of them think they will have the same power running around up here. That's why we don't have any V10's around the area, though one of the posters on here must have been suffering from altitude sickness and hallucinating when he counted 17 of them...or he was dreaming.
Perhaps some company was in town that only bought V10's when he was up there?
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The other day I saw 24 6.4's and not a single V10 in a parking lot. Why? Because CalFrac (and oil drilling/well company) had a company dinner/meeting and the F250 CC, SB, PSD is their company truck. So people that never come in to this town, had their trucks here artificially making the number of PSD quite high.
Perhaps some company was in town that only bought V10's when he was up there?
Perhaps some company was in town that only bought V10's when he was up there?
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Haven't read it yet, but am awaiting commentary.
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I hear that. I'm glad to see that someone is actually going to use a turbo gas engine as a towing engine (i.e. the 2011 3.5L V6 twin turbo F150 engine). I know it's not a big engine, but the turbo gas towing engine has to start some where, so it's probably best to start off in the 1/2 ton market first. If this engine is successful, you may see a turbo gas super duty in the next major generation change. It depends also, if they can make the turbo gas engine cheaper than the turbo diesel.
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The other day I saw 24 6.4's and not a single V10 in a parking lot. Why? Because CalFrac (and oil drilling/well company) had a company dinner/meeting and the F250 CC, SB, PSD is their company truck. So people that never come in to this town, had their trucks here artificially making the number of PSD quite high.
Perhaps some company was in town that only bought V10's when he was up there?
Perhaps some company was in town that only bought V10's when he was up there?
JL
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Haven't read it yet, but am awaiting commentary.
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Basically the 6.2L >>> than GM or Dodge
6.7L is a hair better than GM, both of which a far better than Dodge.
The final results are bogus though, this is their own statement "Score Category Weights: Subjective 20% / Performance 55% / Fuel Economy 25%"
20% subjective? they could easily make any truck they wanted the winner...
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This page pretty much somes it up...
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Basically the 6.2L >>> than GM or Dodge
6.7L is a hair better than GM, both of which a far better than Dodge.
2010 HD 16 Percent Hill Climb Test - PickupTrucks.com Special Reports
Basically the 6.2L >>> than GM or Dodge
6.7L is a hair better than GM, both of which a far better than Dodge.
JL
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I learned a long time to not be critical of what anyone drives, as long as they drive sensible.
1)It beats walking.
2)Drive what you want and/or can afford.
For most of my life, I have driven what i could afford. Think about it, how many people drove K-cars because they wanted to?? I was one of those guys! I have finally reach a point in my life that I could afford something a little nicer. Yeah, it's an 8 year old truck, but it's what I want. Yeah, it's a diesel, and my wife hated it until I put some dynamat in the doors and on the floor. If you want a V-10, or a 5.4, then god bless you, go get it. I have nothing to prove to you, and you have nothing to prove to me. We can be friends, our kids can play together, you can sleep with my wife. Well, perhaps not sleep with my wife. But all of us drive Fords, and in that, we are all brothers!!!
1)It beats walking.
2)Drive what you want and/or can afford.
For most of my life, I have driven what i could afford. Think about it, how many people drove K-cars because they wanted to?? I was one of those guys! I have finally reach a point in my life that I could afford something a little nicer. Yeah, it's an 8 year old truck, but it's what I want. Yeah, it's a diesel, and my wife hated it until I put some dynamat in the doors and on the floor. If you want a V-10, or a 5.4, then god bless you, go get it. I have nothing to prove to you, and you have nothing to prove to me. We can be friends, our kids can play together, you can sleep with my wife. Well, perhaps not sleep with my wife. But all of us drive Fords, and in that, we are all brothers!!!
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From: Sunny, Snowy, CO
That 6.7 is a bigger engine...I don't see it getting better mileage either with 400/800
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For those interested in the F650/750 option, go here:
2012 F-650/F-750 to get V10 option!!! - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums
2012 F-650/F-750 to get V10 option!!! - Ford Truck Enthusiasts Forums