Don't get me wrong. The truck will lay down some serious patches like Vic states. I just wanted to point out that the drivability of this program is incredible for everyday driving. As a side note: I pulled up next to a Dodge tonight with an aftermarket exhaust, don't know what else he had. We were kinda feeling each other out when we took off, then it became obvious he wanted to race. I dropped the hammer and smoked him with my Econ tune! This baby will get up and go! I'm making a concious effort to take it easy and not floor it as much because I don't have guages or an exhaust yet.

 

I agree completely. Much better feel at light throttle. Smoother shifts, and a little earlier. No mileage info yet: too early and I've been testing out the hard throttle response some. Very nice.

About mileage: if this remains an adaptive system with the tuned files, shouldn't I run for a little while and then check the mileage after a tank or two? Doesn't seem fair to count the time the system is learning. It might not reach optimal peformance until fully adapted. About how long does that take?

 

If you really want to measure mileage with any 'accuracy", you should do with at least a few tanks.

 

Vic,

Are all the programmers being sold the "updated" ones? Have you called back all the programmers that your vendors have? Question is if a SCMT is purchased from a vendor say Motorhaven, would they be selling the updated version?

 

I'm going to repeat myself again, so please take note of this:

There is no "updated" programmer.

There is not and will not be any type of "callback".

There were several codes (and I do mean only a few) that had a little bit higher/firmer (more aggressive than the others) part throttle shift. This is a matter of preference.
This change only affects one truck in 1000, and out of that 1 in each 1000 only a few would have anyting to say about the shift being "too firm" at part throttle.

The few codes that were changed are now a part of the databse, so all tuners produced after the change will contain this change..for those three codes.

98% of the codes are unaffected here so PLEASE do not call your dealer telling them you want an "updated" tuner because it will more than likely not make any change to your truck whatsoever.

If you install a tune, and experience a drivability issue....then and only then should you get a return authorization number and I will look at it.

 

I love this thread.Just started reading it,I can't wait to get my program,just couldn't decide on which one.I like the Superchips "back to stock"program change,just wish there was a way to change on the fly,say when that D-max wants to play..Just for laughs,this really happened.I got into a two lane turn lane at a stoplight ,I had to pull up beside a new D-max dually to get a look at his truck.I was just admiring it when the light turned green,and he floored the thing,got out to about 25 yards on me,then I hit the gas.Caught him at about 200 yards, a flat FLEW by him like he was stuck in another gear,but I could see the smoke billowing out of his exhaust.I stopped at about 80,but he decided to pull in well behind me and leave well enough alone.I also had a LOWERED Cummins pull up to me at light,he was weaving in and out of traffic trying to get to me.I power braked it a little,then stomped it leaving the light.I could see him shifting gears,and I was pulling away like gangbusters.I have Jan.'03 engine build on my 6.0 CC FX4 Lariat auto,Oct.reflash.Gets 17mpg if I don't push too much(actual calculated),and I use a diesel additive for +3 cetane boost.Does Superchips have any cold air filter intake recommendations?I've looked at K&N,and AirRaid so far,but can't decide.My main concern is FILTRATION,with performance a strong second.Appreciate all the info on the site.

 

And when they do that they cost the merchant money. It costs about $10 in credit card fees for a tuner, plus paying someone to enter/handle the invoice, pack it, ship it, etc. Then you return one of them and the merchant has more fees on the credit card refund, paying employees to handle the RMA, depending on the condition of the product - shipping it back to the manufacturer.

Generally, people who recommend this type of thing aren't people in business for themselves who get hit in the wallet. And its a fairly substantial hit once all is said and done.

 

2003 F-250 6.0 PSD,(1-3-03,Indianapolis engine build)CC,FX4,Lariat,Torqueshift 5speed auto,3.73,elec.shift on fly,adj.pedals,reverse sensors,camper pkg,two-tone Ariz.beige over black.

 

With all due respect to forum sponsors and small business people, I try on $60 shoes before I buy them to be sure they fit. I can't try on a $400 tuner? To decide on that kind of investment merely by word of mouth isn't always good enough. Perhaps you could require a "restocking" fee to recover these costs? I think it's fair to compensate the "loosing" vendor for his time and effort after the decision.

 

Shoes are a very different situation than a tuner.

 

Obviously, any business can determine what their rules are... and free market will determine if it's the "right" thing to do or not....

but A restocking fee would allow the "try before you buy" without hurting the vendor...
Just so long as it is posted up front and the vendor can determine what HIS cost is for that return...
He may not make any profit off that one particular sale, but I'll bet more "on the fence" people will buy, even with $25 or $50 dollars restocking fee... And I don't think there are THAT many people once they feel how much improvement the Diablo Predator makes to their truck will EVER return it !!!!

It goes right along the line of rebates...
Many companies offer rebates as an enticement to "sweeten" the sale...
in the hopes of (and it usually happens this way) the buyer will "forget" to send the rebate in....

Years ago Sears had a policy of you could return anything !!!

Their sales were astronomical !!!
They decided to change that policy and lost MANY customers... I would think their market share is much less then 20 years ago....

but, hey,, I could be completely wrong.... just my humble $.00000002 :-)


but since Motorhaven already HAS that policy, maybe instituting a restocking fee would alleviate some of the cost....

I WANT Motorhaven to be successful, so they can be around to sell me more "stuff" and back up the "stuff" I've already gotten from them !!!

 

OK I understand.

I am one of the few that have the problem. I called Superchips twice about the problem and they were vague as what they would do with it. One guy said he is not sure which department would be looking at my tuner. They had no definate answer for my problems and had a turn around time of 3 weeks (which is a result of the size of company Superchips has become). The guy could not promise the problem would be fixed and with a turnaround of 3 weeks I was not interested in finding out. This was a month ago now and I have since sent back the tuner in favor of another company. I am trying custom tunes to fit my driving style and the company has a turn around of two days.

Mark

 

What kind of problems are you having VegasSuperDuty ?Mine has some "issues" and was just wondering.

 

Well my problem are gone along with the SC1704.

My shifts were VERY harsh under part throttle. The full throttle shifts were perfect. I was tired of cruising at a low speed and the truck holding onto 2,000 rpm and not shifting.

The increased shift point was a drag and impractical. Having a 3900 rpm full throttle shift point is not my preference when I feel the truck falling on its face before the shifts.

It had a lack of midrange power/torque when compared to other tuners I have used. The tuner I have now actually has 177 more ft lbs tq. than the SC1704 at 2700 rpm! My tuner also has 85 more hp at 2900rpm than the SC1704. What I am saying is unless you are flooring it above say 3000rpms all the time the power won't be there like some other tuners on the market. Each to his own but I prefer street usable power (power across the rpm range), not "peak" power.

On the HP mode, the smoke level was way too much! I was covering the cars behind me at an intersection. This much fuel is not for me.

On Superchips side I will say under full throttle I have never had a tuner shift so well. Not once did the transmission slip.



Mark

 

sooooooooooooo, whatcha got now?
and, you dynod both? on the same dyno by chance?