Superchips 6.0 Microtuner Thread
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From: Cool, CA
Originally Posted by Customz
Well I gave the ECON tune another try, (more cold starts) and doesn't seem to run as well as the HP and has some drivability issues that I don't recall being as severe as High Perf. It clunks hard when turning off or decellerating w/ CControl and jolted the driveline badly one time in particular. Is this usual or is there an update/fix for it?
It feels like the truck is pulling so hard (80-90mph) under power, once you decellerate it shocks the drivetrain and the clunk being felt is the corresponding abrupt deceleration. (Aerodynamics, Rolling Resistance?)
I drove from Tucson (400+ miles) to Orange County basically unloaded (2 bikes mounted on a roof-rack) at approx 80mph avg w/ AC and got 14.1 mpg and took it relatively easy when passing . Seems pretty flat and couldn't tell if there was a head wind. So my economy accually decreased from my running average of 14.6mpg. Maybe the bikes result in a significant aerodynamic load.
I will set back to HP for the return trip and keep it there for a while and keep an eye out for the same characteristics while using CC. I will report the return data and driving performance. Maybe I'll drive slower although the I-10 was wide open
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Anyone w/ similar experiences or related update info?
It feels like the truck is pulling so hard (80-90mph) under power, once you decellerate it shocks the drivetrain and the clunk being felt is the corresponding abrupt deceleration. (Aerodynamics, Rolling Resistance?)
I drove from Tucson (400+ miles) to Orange County basically unloaded (2 bikes mounted on a roof-rack) at approx 80mph avg w/ AC and got 14.1 mpg and took it relatively easy when passing . Seems pretty flat and couldn't tell if there was a head wind. So my economy accually decreased from my running average of 14.6mpg. Maybe the bikes result in a significant aerodynamic load.
I will set back to HP for the return trip and keep it there for a while and keep an eye out for the same characteristics while using CC. I will report the return data and driving performance. Maybe I'll drive slower although the I-10 was wide open
.Anyone w/ similar experiences or related update info?
BTW - those of you like Daryl getting 17+ mpg on the freeway consider yourselves lucky. The absolute highest (hand calculated) mileage I have received on this truck in 7000 miles was 15.8. Average is 13.8 no matter how I drive, racing the whole tank or driving like grandma with CC on flat highways with little wind.
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Originally Posted by greathornedal
Hi all, This is my first post so take it easy on me ... I just purchased a 2005 F-350 crew LWB 4x4. I mentioned to the service manager (he also owns 2005 F-350) that I wanted to install the Superchip 1704-A .. Manager stated that he has seen a lot of problems caused by the superchips and it could void warranty. Has anyone out there who has installed the 1704-A had any problems? If so Please let me know what problems you have experienced. Al
If you search this thread (spend an hour or two <or 10 =o) > reading back)...the answers are here.
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greathornedal - Like Vic said go back and read some of the previous postings here. I know its a lot of pages but there is valuable info here, I read through this prior to purchasing my 1704-A so I could know what I was getting in to. Also, in case you don't know how it works, the 1704-A isn't a physical part that you install like some performance chips. It's a handheld tuner that reprograms the vehicle PCM. So since its a simple reprogramming device, you should ALWAYS use it to set your PCM back to stock prior to ANY dealer visit. Better safe than sorry I say.
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...and to add one more important point to that, if you DON'T reset your truck to stock before a dealer visit and the dealer reflashes your computer (every now and then the dealer gets updates to address various issues), you will lose your "tune" AND will have to pay Superchips an additional charge to have it replaced (this is a preventative measure to keep people from tuning more than one truck at a time).
On the other hand, if you return the truck to stock before seeing the dealer AND a reflash occurs, you MIGHT have to return the tuner in order to have it updated for the new flash, BUT this does NOT cost you anything besides shipping back to Superchips.
ALWAYS return the truck to stock several days before visiting the dealer. This gives the computer time to "clear" several fault codes that routinely pop up after the computer has been accessed.
Regards,
Steve
On the other hand, if you return the truck to stock before seeing the dealer AND a reflash occurs, you MIGHT have to return the tuner in order to have it updated for the new flash, BUT this does NOT cost you anything besides shipping back to Superchips.
ALWAYS return the truck to stock several days before visiting the dealer. This gives the computer time to "clear" several fault codes that routinely pop up after the computer has been accessed.
Regards,
Steve
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From: Paola, KS
Originally Posted by Customz
Can water, methanol, or propane injection be added to the SCMT tunes or do the injection systems need to be added with a custom tune?
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With an out-of-the-box tuner, your best bet will be the nitrous, as it is not a fuel in itself. You won't see "massive" power gains from it however, because the SCMT does't tremendously overfuel.
Propane and meth (both are fuels, which will be injected "wet" into the cylinder before firing) will advance the timing chemically. The SCMT's injector timing is perfectly safe, but when you throw in lots of either one of these the overall timing (both chemical and injector combined) you are going to get some nasty injector rattle/rod knock under high load and RPM.
The SCMT and a very strong meth mixture with a very careless driver worked over the engine you can see in my gallery...
Personally, I'd run nitrous or a very low meth mixture (or pure water). The pure water will let you stay at WOT for an indefinate period of time, in conjuction with the rather *cool* High-perf SCMT tune (until the tank runs dry). The water will also help with head gaskets and other cylinder pressure related issues by reducing cylinder pressure spikes (while keeping the overall pressure up longer, increasing power output at the same time.)
Propane and meth (both are fuels, which will be injected "wet" into the cylinder before firing) will advance the timing chemically. The SCMT's injector timing is perfectly safe, but when you throw in lots of either one of these the overall timing (both chemical and injector combined) you are going to get some nasty injector rattle/rod knock under high load and RPM.
The SCMT and a very strong meth mixture with a very careless driver worked over the engine you can see in my gallery...
Personally, I'd run nitrous or a very low meth mixture (or pure water). The pure water will let you stay at WOT for an indefinate period of time, in conjuction with the rather *cool* High-perf SCMT tune (until the tank runs dry). The water will also help with head gaskets and other cylinder pressure related issues by reducing cylinder pressure spikes (while keeping the overall pressure up longer, increasing power output at the same time.)
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That might help me in the tractor pull using pure water? I have noticed that empty on the highway I can WOT it and the temp doesn't really get much over 1100. Now from a dead stop 1-2-3 shifting it at 4100rpm I can get it around 1356.
Wonder if this had to do with the amount of air moving through the CAC? Slow speed vs. Highway speed.
Tractor pulls don't really move very fast and they are definetly a load.
Wonder if this had to do with the amount of air moving through the CAC? Slow speed vs. Highway speed.
Tractor pulls don't really move very fast and they are definetly a load.
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I (and others) am working on something that everyone will be very intrigued with IF/when it's done. I'm not talking product, but information that, once fully gathered and shared, will be very valuable to 6.0L owners..[/QUOTE] from Vic
Can ya give us a hint???
Can ya give us a hint???
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Originally Posted by Fieldday
I (and others) am working on something that everyone will be very intrigued with IF/when it's done. I'm not talking product, but information that, once fully gathered and shared, will be very valuable to 6.0L owners..
Can ya give us a hint???[/QUOTE]
Nope =o)
All I can say is that it is information.
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It is something I'm working on myself with a few others and will mostly apply to those who have recurring issues that Ford has not solved....particularly involving 6.0's with a surging problem the dealer likes to deny.
Again, nothing legal related, just information.
Again, nothing legal related, just information.
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An update on the road trip mileage and driveability in ECON and HP.
HP Mode acts much more refined IMO than ECON.
I returned from OC, CA to Tucson, AZ w/ a loaded bed and bikes mounted on the roof @ 80-90 mph in HP Mode getting a whopping 13.0 mpg (similar speeds as the drive out.)
The trip average is approx 13.6 mpg.
The return trip was w/ CA diesel. I don't know if that would make a difference. My mileage has steadily declined since SCMT installation and the corresponding misplacement of the EGR.
I don't feel like I am hot-rodding too much but am starting to get the opinion of no matter how I drive the mileage stays the same...except on the freeway when it gets worse.
HP Mode acts much more refined IMO than ECON.
I returned from OC, CA to Tucson, AZ w/ a loaded bed and bikes mounted on the roof @ 80-90 mph in HP Mode getting a whopping 13.0 mpg (similar speeds as the drive out.)
The trip average is approx 13.6 mpg.
The return trip was w/ CA diesel. I don't know if that would make a difference. My mileage has steadily declined since SCMT installation and the corresponding misplacement of the EGR.
I don't feel like I am hot-rodding too much but am starting to get the opinion of no matter how I drive the mileage stays the same...except on the freeway when it gets worse.