Did you see the numbers we posted on the Predator Thread? 387 HP and 428 Torque. It did that with a 1 1/2 split in the compressor hose acting like a waste gate. If you check the curve, you will find the curve flat as the boost never could build past about 20 pounds.

 

point being?????????

 

Point being when the hose split the thing lost HP/TQ, as any would

 

well all i can add is that i just came back from the world ford challenge, and watched the superchips truck run a 14.4 in the 1/4 on their 6.0 with there 150hp tune, then on the next run was a diablo truck with there 100hp tune with identical mods, stock run a 14.42 hmmm very interesting. the very next round the the superchips sct 6.0 raced against the diablo f350 dually 6.0 and the diablo truck ran a 14.2 to me it seems that by looking at these times the diablo predator is making more power with there 100hp tune than the superchips 150hp tune, if i didn't see it with my own eyes i wouldn't of believed it

 

I've got dyno results comparing both. I'm trying to get dyno charts from both companies to add to my article to compare their numbers to my numbers before I publish the article. Based on the charts I have, what blown5.4 saw at WFC doesn't surprise me and I have a feeling Diablo and Superchips have different methods for coming up with their dyno numbers, hence the desire to get dyno charts from each company.

 

Great !

Both are better than stock and will greatly improve the driving experience...
and this will help EACH of us decide WHICH is best for our truck and situation...

 

Agreed this will be interesting…. however, is everyone after only one thing..?
Is HP the only way to look at these?
My concern about off peak and drivability with a trailer is personal. I keep thinking these things were made for towing…. imagine that, silly me

 

Obviously not Tim...
But a dyno chart will answer all our questions - the peak HP, the torque, the "Under the arc" drivability!
that's why I posted mine with the predator so all could see "under the arc"...

Don't get me wrong - amhappy with predator... but just want to see if i need to "upgrade" :-)

 

The tests I have are dyno tests from 51-72 mph. I have stock, Superchips Microtuner and Diablo Sport Predator readings. Two sets of tests were done in each mode (stock/Superchips/Diablo Sport) each with a different gear so people would get an idea of how different gear ratios/rpms come into play.

I'm getting 1/4 mile results tonight, or tomorrow, depending on how busy the dyno is.

Granted, these tests don't show RPM (they are MPH tests) but that can be calculated quite easily from the data available on the charts. As soon as I get the 1/4 mile results in, and hopefully charts from Diablo and/or Superchips, I'll publish it. It would be in each company's best interest to supply dyno charts, especially since I'm sure each is confident their's is the winner.

 

The SuperChips will have to be strong to beat the numbers we posted on the Predator thread yesterday!

 

With what Ken is saying and the posts Ive seen of dyno results Id say the SC will fall short of their claim. It may be 150 HP over stock at the rpm they are choosing but I don't think its 150 HP max over stock max. I think thats what they call peak to peak, most (if not all) use this method to advertise their HP gain, why not SC? Don't know.

 

Bob...get a life, will ya ;o)
poke, poke.

I'm aware of your numbers.

I'm also aware everyone has a different "method of testing".

Tim/Ken,

Will this article/comparison feature comments on drivability, tow files, fuel economy, etc ?

That very truck you guys saw it St Louis made 2MPG better than stock running the ECON file pulling a trailer on the way to that event (Orlando to St Louis).
As for the race against the other truck...close race!....it's still apples to oranges.
These trucks can vary by a second stock.
Very often, the dualies are faster...stock and modified.
I've had some of the most fun in R&D with dualies, as a matter of fact =o)
Better traction, different gearing, different weight distribution, etc...

It needs to be both products on the same truck at the same place on the same night under at least somewhat controlled contitions for uniformity.
This test will need to be repeated many times with other peoples trucks to see the correct trend and see who really is the 1/4 mile 'out of the box' champ.

I will be at Orlando Speed World (Bithlo) Wednesday night wth a guy that owns an inline device, a 1704 and Predator.
His personal favorite is the 1704, dut to its incredible drivability, tire smokin burnouts, long power band, and based on the fact that it's the only thing his truck hasn't spewed coolant with yet =o)

No drivability issues, no funky sounds, no shifting problems, low EGT's, powerband is smooth as silk, towing is top notch and the fuel economy gains are real.

What more could you ask for overall?

 

Vic,

When you get time, could you email me or give me some contact info? Something I would like to run by you. You should be able to click on my handle and send an email to me. Thanks.

 

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Well, I decided to give the 1704 a try. I have run both the Edge w/ Attitude and the Predator back and forth now for over 3 months. I love the power of the edge, but hate the shifting. The predator shifts decently (but too harsh), the power isn't very smooth, and the coolant issue really bugs me.

I installed the 1704 Performance tune yesterday morning. So far, I am impressed with the power at WOT ONLY. The shifting is outstanding as well. The problem is that the truck feels virtually STOCK at all throttle levels below full. It's definitely not stock below full throttle, but no where near as responsive as the Predator and Edge. I will certainly miss this with the 1704 that the Edge and Predator had. SO, do I like it??? YES...but only from the standpoint of comparing it to the others at WOT. Compared to the others at partial throttle....I really DONT like it. I wish superchips could change the programming to give it the monster throttle response that the Edge has. Will I leave it on the truck??? Probably so. Once I get over the lack of throttle response, I'll probably love it. I wish there was a definite answer on stacking programmers and modules regarding the safety factor. If I could get the shifting of the 1704 combined with the throttle response of the Edge, we'd have the perfect combination.


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What are the hex calibrations codes in your truck? (for data log purposes)
These trucks have dead throttle response stock, and I did kick it up, but I didn't want to go crazy.
There is good reason for this (actually several really good reasons), but we are now skirting proprietary information.


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Vic,
I agree with psdrob 100% here. I have the edge/attitude and just bought your sc 1704 also. What he is talking about is this, with the edge you barley have to hit the pedal and it is rippin. Also like pulling a hill or something like that the edge stays in overdrive and still pulls hard the sc feels like srock and must shift down. if you floor it the sc goes like hell. But it really lacks in low end power. you did a good job with the lagg. Its just the sc has ok take off resopse (though nothing like the edge!) thens kinda goes to a stock feeling then picks up again into a awsome high reving pull to almost 4k. You have done something here that no other programer has done. that is making the 6.0 pull hard clear to 4k. it is very impressive but why cant we get low end pull as well? if you could do that you would be selling these to everyone. I am the one thats been doing some testing that i know you do not recomend. i am looking for edge type power with the sc shifting. your shifts are awsome! I just did another test and now i know what you mean about how stock it wont even rev anywhere near where the sc does. I programed economy mode then back to stock but i unplugged it before it could tune the tranny back to stock. this woke me up on what you were saying. stock pulled to about 3500 rather weakly then finally got around 3800 and just quit pulling it finally shifted after about 5 seconds of barley pulling then pulled like crazy again after the shift. i even tried the edge/attitude same thing just quit pulling at about 3500 finally made it to 3900 and shifted but it did it no better than stock did. i think the sc 1704 makes alot of power its just not what we in the diesel world are used to. you created a high reving monster but unfortunatly most are used to the low reving freight train pull that other boxes and programers provide. i am impressed with what you have done but i really would like alot more low end power with that high reving pull you made! My hat is off to you you did a awsome job. its sad to see so many people ******* you right now. they just dont understand. i wouldnt have either without the testing i have been doing. But now i see what you have done. Most people are upset about the 150 hp claim. i would imagine if anyone dynoed this thing at 4000 rpm it would be there! What rpm do you claim that 150 at anyways? The only thing that bothers me about the shifting is the 3 to floor shift that ocurs about 37 mph it just hangs there at 35 mph at about 1900 rpm its kinda anoying. it absolutly wont shift until 37 mph period. i did notice that when you are slowing down from say 40 mph in 4th gear that it will stay in 4th even at 30 mph. have any idea why this is? can it be reprogramed to shift earlier? i have heard other complaints about this also. other than that your shifting is awsome! great job! sorry this is so long i had alot to say!
Jamie

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04 F350 xlt fx4 CC SB 4X4 6.0 torque shift with 04 motor built 10/03 6.5" pro-comp lift with 37x13.5x16 xterrain's on 16x10 extreem 1879's with mx6 shocks, edge with attitude, afe intake and dppi turbo back exaust

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Vic,

That didn't work. Email to cphannaford@att.net. thanks