Superchips 6.0 Microtuner Thread
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From: Lake Mary, FL
Originally Posted by flyMike
I bought one of these some time back, so I have some experience with it. It was awesome at first to see the truck lite up the rear (both tires as I have limited slip). But I didn't like the way it shifted. It clunked into place hard. It was really noticeable. Also, beware, just giving it more power without other mods can be dangerous to your engine, turbo, etc. You need to give it more air, and a way to get the heat out faster. Consider an AIRAID or other hi-flow air intake system and a larger exhaust. 4" is typical, but I just put a Bully Dog 5" on mine. Note also, before returing your truck for service to the dealer, you should return the truck to it's stock setting. This too is a pain all the time. I ended up returning mine and going a different route. I just installed the EDGE kit, power juice and everything. Put the 5" exhaust and AIRAID in, then lifted it 4" and went from 18 in. to 20 in. wheels with 35 in. TOYO mud tires. Now it's a truck!!! Having done this, I see the importance of the air intake and exhaust. With the increase in power, the EGTs go way up, and much much faster. The Edge kit monitors everything and has safety features built in...so if you push it too hard, it backs off to protect your turbo...at least to some degree...there are no guarantees. That's the other thing...make sure you install guages to monitor the EGT and Boost if you just re-program the chip yourself. The turbo blades will start to glow around 1250 degrees...and with this amount of HP it's easy to hit that mark.
The programs totally safe and are designed for a stock or slighyly modified truck.
Thousands of these things are out there (literally) and have been running reliably for quite some time now.
No worries, your tune is safe
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From: Hendersonville, NC
Originally Posted by flyMike
I bought one of these some time back, so I have some experience with it. It was awesome at first to see the truck lite up the rear (both tires as I have limited slip). But I didn't like the way it shifted. It clunked into place hard. It was really noticeable. Also, beware, just giving it more power without other mods can be dangerous to your engine, turbo, etc. You need to give it more air, and a way to get the heat out faster. Consider an AIRAID or other hi-flow air intake system and a larger exhaust. 4" is typical, but I just put a Bully Dog 5" on mine. Note also, before returing your truck for service to the dealer, you should return the truck to it's stock setting. This too is a pain all the time. I ended up returning mine and going a different route. I just installed the EDGE kit, power juice and everything. Put the 5" exhaust and AIRAID in, then lifted it 4" and went from 18 in. to 20 in. wheels with 35 in. TOYO mud tires. Now it's a truck!!! Having done this, I see the importance of the air intake and exhaust. With the increase in power, the EGTs go way up, and much much faster. The Edge kit monitors everything and has safety features built in...so if you push it too hard, it backs off to protect your turbo...at least to some degree...there are no guarantees. That's the other thing...make sure you install guages to monitor the EGT and Boost if you just re-program the chip yourself. The turbo blades will start to glow around 1250 degrees...and with this amount of HP it's easy to hit that mark.
The turbine in the 6.0 charger uses an inconel alloy, and it will require 1800+ degrees of temperature AT the turbo (not the exhaust manifold) to damage it; at 1250 it doesn't even know the engine is running
. The pistons will see damage long before that happens. Check my gallery for pics if you like, so far I have done it twice and neither time has infliced any damage upon the turbo. The turbo from the first one actually has atomized aluminum deposits from the pistons brazed onto the exhaust fins, with the fins themselves unscathed.As for the "clunky" shifting, that is also a faster shift. Edge does nothing to address calculated slip time in the TCM parameters, and has one of, if not the worst shifts in the industry. I cooked my direct drive clutch pack within 3000 miles of installing the Edge.
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From: Carlsbad, California
Originally Posted by flyMike
I bought one of these some time back, so I have some experience with it. It was awesome at first to see the truck lite up the rear (both tires as I have limited slip). But I didn't like the way it shifted. It clunked into place hard. It was really noticeable. Also, beware, just giving it more power without other mods can be dangerous to your engine, turbo, etc. You need to give it more air, and a way to get the heat out faster. Consider an AIRAID or other hi-flow air intake system and a larger exhaust. 4" is typical, but I just put a Bully Dog 5" on mine. . . . <snip>
Changing components may lower the EGT a little, but since they don't get to unsafe temps when you are using the product as directed, personally I don't think that there's any real need to do so.
Also, my shifting is fine.
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I ran my '05 on the emisions dyno here in town, and with the SCMT on the performance tune, no muffler, and an air raid intake, I easy hit the 1500* mark on the pre- turbo pyro. Needless to say that we did not push it any more. Without the tune in, with my mods I can get it to 1200* pre turbo from a light to 65 mph. I highly recomend gauges. Even stock.
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From: Carlsbad, California
Definitely get gauges.
At sea level on a 90 deg day, I hit around 1150 deg in the 1/4 mile at Carlsbad raceway - now closed :-(
This was with power braking to 2000 RPM for ~5 seconds for so prior to the launch and then full throttle through the traps - terminal speed 93 MPH.
I use the X-monitor digital gauge package which records and saves the max values hit till you reset them. Max boost during the run was around 32 lbs as I recall.
I routinely run full throttle up an 10%+ grade near my house for something a bit over 1/8th of a mile and have hit 1200 deg once.
Never seen the kind of temps you're hitting on my truck - though I guess if I had it strapped down to a dyno making max power in HP tune for a while it might get up there.
Pulling my 10,000+ lb toy hauler up the 8% or steeper grades for over a mile I haven't seen temps over 1200 deg in tow safe mode except for one time where it briefly hit 1230 deg. Most of the time it is in the 1050 to 1150 range.
This is for full throttle operation up some of the grades where the truck and trailer just maintain 55 MPH for over a mile at a whack.
At sea level on a 90 deg day, I hit around 1150 deg in the 1/4 mile at Carlsbad raceway - now closed :-(
This was with power braking to 2000 RPM for ~5 seconds for so prior to the launch and then full throttle through the traps - terminal speed 93 MPH.
I use the X-monitor digital gauge package which records and saves the max values hit till you reset them. Max boost during the run was around 32 lbs as I recall.
I routinely run full throttle up an 10%+ grade near my house for something a bit over 1/8th of a mile and have hit 1200 deg once.
Never seen the kind of temps you're hitting on my truck - though I guess if I had it strapped down to a dyno making max power in HP tune for a while it might get up there.
Pulling my 10,000+ lb toy hauler up the 8% or steeper grades for over a mile I haven't seen temps over 1200 deg in tow safe mode except for one time where it briefly hit 1230 deg. Most of the time it is in the 1050 to 1150 range.
This is for full throttle operation up some of the grades where the truck and trailer just maintain 55 MPH for over a mile at a whack.
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From: Paola, KS
I run a 4" turbo back and leave mine in the HP mode all the time I never seen over 1250 towing and that is with a GVW of 27,800 pounds. The hottest it ever has got was 1380 and that was full throttle from a dead stop with 19,000 pounds in tow.
Love the SCMT great product reccommend it for everybody, unless you want to go crazy like PSD 60L Fx4 which I would also love to do.
Love the SCMT great product reccommend it for everybody, unless you want to go crazy like PSD 60L Fx4 which I would also love to do.
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From: Oakley California
Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
The 1704 and 1704-a are not made by SCT.
They are made by Superchips Inc.
Some of the initial research done by each individual company was shared, but Superchips Inc makes the 1704 and both remain separate companies.
If you don't want the smoke, you'll have to give up some of the power.
The Econ smokes almost none and tow doesn't smoke at all.
I could provide details on how it makes the power, but I won't
It's safe and reasonable, and that what needs to be told =o)
You do not NEED a pyrometer, but I recommend any diesel truck (stock or modified) have a pyrometer.
..It's like getting that extra insurance on the rental car, a good idea.
They are made by Superchips Inc.
Some of the initial research done by each individual company was shared, but Superchips Inc makes the 1704 and both remain separate companies.
If you don't want the smoke, you'll have to give up some of the power.
The Econ smokes almost none and tow doesn't smoke at all.
I could provide details on how it makes the power, but I won't
It's safe and reasonable, and that what needs to be told =o)
You do not NEED a pyrometer, but I recommend any diesel truck (stock or modified) have a pyrometer.
..It's like getting that extra insurance on the rental car, a good idea.
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Some gauges require removing the handle, an x-monitor does not. Check out www.motorhaven.com godd prices and it supports this site.
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From: So. Indiana
1st post
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I went straight for the performance tune and can't find all the words to describe what it is like.
I went straight for the performance tune and can't find all the words to describe what it is like.
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From: Scotts Valley, CA
Pyrometer?
Sorry for this stupid question. I can guess what a prrometer is, but can someone explain it anyway, and how it works, where it's installed, etc.? Thanks
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flyMike
2004 F350 SD HD (Harley) 4x4, CC, long bed
20 in. WELD Racing wheels, 35 in. TOYO M/T tires
Edge Juice/Attitude
Bully Dog 4 in. to 5 in. exhaust
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flyMike
2004 F350 SD HD (Harley) 4x4, CC, long bed
20 in. WELD Racing wheels, 35 in. TOYO M/T tires
Edge Juice/Attitude
Bully Dog 4 in. to 5 in. exhaust
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From: Cool, CA
Pyrometer measures the heat of the Exhaust Gas Temp. The sensor is installed either pre - or post turbo, then attaches to the gauge in the vehicle. The idea is to keep an eye on the exhaust temp - if it gets too hot you can have some real internal engine damage. I've heard that too hot is anywhere from 1250 - 1500 degrees (pre turbo), I guess that is one of the debates still.
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From: Utopia
BTW-
My SCMT comes in today. I pick up my tranny-recalled truck tomorrow.
Being a data hound type of guy I want to run a tank after the EGR falls off, a tank after Econ tune, and a tank after HP tune and see what SCMT does to my operating costs.
Oh yeah, I've been driving the gasoline work truck so much that the last time I filled up w/ diesel on 2/4/05 the price was $1.919/gal
JAZ
My SCMT comes in today. I pick up my tranny-recalled truck tomorrow.
Being a data hound type of guy I want to run a tank after the EGR falls off, a tank after Econ tune, and a tank after HP tune and see what SCMT does to my operating costs.
Oh yeah, I've been driving the gasoline work truck so much that the last time I filled up w/ diesel on 2/4/05 the price was $1.919/gal
JAZ