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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tpayne621
There are cheap billet thermostat housings on Amazon as well for $20-30

Just logged on to Amazon.com. So many options in billet for you guys down there.

Amazon.ca doesn’t have anything in a billet.

Correction… I had to specifically type billet into the search before they came up. Same options as .com

 
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Old Mar 3, 2024 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by F350towing
Just logged on to Amazon.com. So many options in billet for you guys down there.

Amazon.ca doesn’t have anything in a billet.

Correction… I had to specifically type billet into the search before they came up. Same options as .com
Don't know how good they are but it's just a chunk of billet. I think they would work just fine. I have a riff raff one on mine but I got it for like $25 off marketplace. Guy bought it never used it and lost the bolts for it.
 
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Old Mar 4, 2024 | 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by F350towing




Took it apart to investigate and found the issue was twofold. First the housing was crowned, second the bolt locations were dished down.

The bolts were bottoming out before enough clamping pressure was being applied to the O-ring.

I simply flipped the housing over and gently used a pin punch to correct the dished areas at the bolt locations and went a little further to create a crush area to exert further pressure on the O-ring. Then I focused on straightening out the crown.

Put it back together and no leaks.

I’m going to be keeping a close eye on this and if it gives me any troubles it will be replaced.
@F350towing

Thank you ever so much for taking the time to create this drawing, color coded no less, to illustrate how you used a pin punch to counteract the distortion of the thermostat housing.

An impressive rescue, and an equally impressive report.

I also liked how you took the trouble to find images of the thermostat housing online (which helps readers unfamiliar with the part), and to also find an aftermarket solution (for those who reuse their old thermostat housing) that purports constrain the housing and seal the area with an additional O-ring.

I only requoted your drawing though, because that was above and beyond the call of duty to help our community.

Thanks again!

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On the topic of warped OEM thermostat housings, the Ford service manual calls for these housing to be replaced anytime the thermostat itself is replaced.

Since most people replace the thermostat anytime they replace the water pump, then the if a=b, and b=c, then a=c algebra follows: anytime the water pump is replaced, the thermostat housing should also be replaced, since the thermostat is being removed with the replacement of the water pump.

Ford didn't just say "it would be a good idea" if the thermostat housing was replaced. Ford said to discard the thermostat housing, and replace it.

(I haven't looked this up in years, so I cannot recall the exact wording. I only remember the important part... the action that I must do to follow the book).

The steel of the thermostat housing clearly yielded (failed to spring back its originally stamped shape) as it expands in use and contracts in disuse over many thermal cycles of operation. Once steel has yielded, it can be considered fatigued, and may not perform as reliably as it was able to before it fatigued from heat cycling.

In view of this possibility, and in keeping with Ford's recommendation, your idea to keep an eye on the thermostat housing is sound.

That notwithstanding, your fix is useful for those times when a new replacement thermostat housing isn't readily available.

The take away for future readers to consider is order a new thermostat housing (as Ford requires) whenever a new water pump or thermostat is ordered.

I would be reticent to order an aftermarket thermostat housing from Dorman or the like. Cheaper housings may be made with cheaper alloys of steel that may not have the same material properties (including Young's modulus) as the steel specified to make the OEM thermostat housing.

I don't have any experience with the boutique aftermarket billet aluminum thermostat housings to comment one way or another. When I replaced my waterpump, I replaced my thermostat housings with a new Motorcraft thermostat housing that I obtained from a Ford dealer. I put my original thermostat housing in a parts drawer, as it seemed too good to throw away. But I didn't want to second guess Ford's reasoning for requiring that it be replaced. Not every reason meets the eye.
 
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Old Mar 8, 2024 | 11:11 PM
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When I had it all apart for the water pump as I was putting it back together I used some dielectric on the plug for the CPS.

Not just on the outside at the rubber seal but on the pins. AKA I was liberal with the stuff. Could this cause havoc with signal? Seems to be idling a little rough.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2024 | 06:33 AM
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Dielectric grease can increase the resistance. When you pressed the plug into the CPS if the metal contacts have grease in between I would believe it could cause issues. Use some contact cleaner to clean it up. Then just place it around the “seal” area.
 
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^^^What he said. If anything, you want conductive grease between the male and female conductors, not dielectric. You have to be really careful to not get conductive grease shorting across pins though.
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Originally Posted by Project78f1504x4
Dielectric grease can increase the resistance. When you pressed the plug into the CPS if the metal contacts have grease in between I would believe it could cause issues. Use some contact cleaner to clean it up. Then just place it around the “seal” area.
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^^^What he said. If anything, you want conductive grease between the male and female conductors, not dielectric. You have to be really careful to not get conductive grease shorting across pins though.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

😱 chit.

Looks like I’ve got more than one electrical connection to be cleaned up today. I was using that stuff like franks red hot. MAP, ICP, IPR, UVCH, CPS, EOT, ECT

Edit: Tomorrow. Conductive grease is on order and won’t arrive until later today. Gotta love Amazon Prime. If they would only let me drive to the warehouse and pick up. Less than 1/2hr away.
 
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Old Mar 9, 2024 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by F350towing
😱 chit.

Looks like I’ve got more than one electrical connection to be cleaned up today. I was using that stuff like franks red hot. MAP, ICP, IPR, UVCH, CPS, EOT, ECT
Flush all of them with rubbing alcohol and follow up with this:
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Flush all of them with rubbing alcohol and follow up with this:
https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-D5S-6-De...38&sr=8-4&th=1

Check out the price of that stuff here in Canada.

.com = $17



.ca =



That difference in cost is freaking outrageous.
 
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And I thought our US cost on that stuff was outrageous enough!
 
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That difference is effing criminal.

I can’t even comprehend the justification for such an increase.

And it’s not like I’m comparing two different products or 2 different distributors.

That a direct Apple to Apple comparison.

The more I think about it the madder I get.
 
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Did some more internet sleuthing and find Deoxit at a music instrument store.

Go figure… mixing boards, amps, guitars, have sensitive electrical components.

Its in stock local to me and is $20.00 cheaper than Amazon. Guess they can’t gouge a starving artist.

And an FYI, it is $74.00 from Walmart online.
 
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I totally forgot that I bought my first can of DeOxit from a music store too.
 
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Got what I need to clean it all up. It will be next weekend though. Wife wants me to spend some time with her this afternoon.

Gonna do a log on FORScan of before and after to see the difference.

Thanks Leonard.
 
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Results are in after the cleaning of all electrical sensors and plugs with Deoxit then the careful application of conductive grease.


^^ prior to cleaning low idle. Couple taps on the throttle.


Prior to cleaning High idle.


After cleaning.

Didn’t get the oscilloscope graph for this but here is a small snip of the saved log.

Idle is smooth. Like less than 10rpm variation over a 5 minute scan. ICP and IPR are both lower as well.

2 weeks until the tags go on it and I can log some unloaded pulls, then April 21 I hook up to the trailer for our first trip of the year.

Only thing left to do now is change the oil.

 
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