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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 09:58 PM
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No, had one twist in half on the 390, along with a few sheared distributor drive gear pins. The 460 like the 351s and 400 has a 3/8" oil pump drive shaft. FWIW, my 390 didn't run like a slug, it was the camper special version, and I know how to re-curve a distributor. 360 and 390 2 barrel engines are slugs, just like 351M/400 engines in stock form. At least Ford did put a 4 barrel option on the 390.
 
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No reason for that. The pressure relief is there to unload the oil pump.
I've seen picture of them just snap in half or twist 10 times around for no reason. IDK what does it.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:00 PM
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No, had one twist in half on the 390, along with a few sheared distributor drive gear pins. The 460 like the 351s and 400 has a 3/8" oil pump drive shaft. FWIW, my 390 didn't run like a slug, it was the camper special version, and I know how to re-curve a distributor. 360 and 390 2 barrel engines are slugs, just like 351M/400 engines in stock form. At least Ford did put a 4 barrel option on the 390.
Yeah, I should have said that differently, they didn't run like a slug. But could run a lot better with more distributor advance. I'm used to 60's FE's with no retarded timing and 4bbl's. Although all of the ones in my garage need rebuilt, but they all have over 220,000 on them!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:03 PM
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My 390 was quite strong, and got 16-17 mpg highway in that F-150. I wasn't sure about the 460 when I first got the dually, after almost 19 years I do like it's power and smoothness. Yes, it's a big hunk of iron, so is a 392 Hemi, and the 430/462 the 385s replaced was even bigger and heavier, 865lbs.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:03 PM
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I've seen picture of them just snap in half or twist 10 times around for no reason. IDK what does it.
Crap jamming the pump when people fail to have a properly screened pickup.
Clearance inside the pump is pretty tight. Suck up a piece of debris from the REAL failure and it can stop the rotor in its tracks
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:05 PM
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I've seen picture of them just snap in half or twist 10 times around for no reason. IDK what does it.
Piece of valve stem seal sucked into the pump. It happens when the suction screen gets clogged usually. 302s in 1979-91 Crown Vics are famous for it,
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:07 PM
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I wish I had a pic of how clogged my pickup was with valve seals and shreds of nylon timing teeth.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:09 PM
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I've seen a plugged up 390 oil pump with all the nylon teeth on the out side of the screen. My dad said he saw a '66 mustang I think it was back in the 70's. It seized up, the oil pump got something in it and it locked up and twisted the oil pump shaft around like a rubber band, I think he said it was a 289.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:17 PM
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Matthew - The fact is that few of the engines we deal with are slugs if properly tuned. There were, and may always be, guys like Bill & Jim that knew how to properly tune an engine. Even I got my '72 390 2bbl to run quite well with a 4bbl and a bit of ignition work, and this 351M will run off and hide from a stock 351M and get much better MPG doing it. So, making sweeping statements that 390's are slugs is going to cause those knowledgable to help you understand the error of your ways.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:20 PM
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Well, one thing I keep forgetting is when I drive my truck I barely touch the gas, I think the glasspacks are making it sound like a slug, or more than it is. When you step on it, it goes pretty good. I'll find out when I get the exhaust done. But I have re curved my distributor, timing is where it should be. Carburetor is in good tune although I want to try a different carb to see if it runs differently down the road sometime.


Shoulda bought a '76 Ford pickup. We looked at a 76 F150 once, body was kind of gone. But it was a 4bbl 390, damn that thing pulled hard!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:29 PM
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Crap suspension/tires/exhaust will go a LONG way toward the "thrill" of performance without actually providing it.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:33 PM
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Crap suspension/tires/exhaust will go a LONG way toward the "thrill" of performance without providing it.
I noticed it used to have more torque when it had the stock HORRIBLY MESSED UP exhaust system on it. Now it has headers with dual 2.5" glasspacks, probably causing a little bit of a loss of torque. Sounding like s h i t and making people mad. A new professional exhaust system hopefully will help with torque a tiny amount, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

If you all are curious it's going to be 2.5" pipes off the headers in to a single 3" exhaust pipe with a 3" cat and 3" muffler and tailpipe. With stock routing.

The flex pipe and glasspacks wasn't meant to be permanent , just temporary.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:42 PM
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I was talking about the '76 you looked at, but your intended exhaust is exactly what I have in my truck.
It works for me.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:44 PM
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I was talking about the '76 you looked at, but your intended exhaust is exactly what I have in my truck.
It works for me.
Oh yeah, that truck. I was looking at the speedometer when my dad was driving it, it got from 0-30 pretty fast.

Our van has the same exhaust system except with no cat, I love it.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2013 | 10:46 PM
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Bill and I have NON-CATALYST trucks.
One less expensive part to fail.
 
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