LPOP help...
Post Fiend
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From: Texas
If it were excessive RTV, what good would filling the crank with kerosene do? This shop is just wasting his money.
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From: Ashland City, TN
They are throwing parts. =\
Wow. If we were all rich, we could just have every guy from RRE with a PSD show up at the shop, along with us. and strong arm them guys till they fixed it right.
But were not all rich. =(
Wow. If we were all rich, we could just have every guy from RRE with a PSD show up at the shop, along with us. and strong arm them guys till they fixed it right.
But were not all rich. =(
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From: Thomasville, GA
X2 Chris
Next words will be about a reman dropin.
Just overfill the crankcase with 2 qts of oil.
You can also jack the back of the truck up.
Both above will submerge the pickup for the oil pump.(overfill is a better test)
If the motor starts, the issue is crack at the weld on the pickup bracket
or the flange of the pickup to the pump. The flange also has a gasket.
This dealer dont know chit about a PSD. Nor do they want to open a manual.
The test above is right out of the dealer's troubleshooting/diag manual!
BTW- The only way i have seen pickup tubes clogg is when the motor
has nylon teeth on a cam gear. The PSD does not have this.
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Bill
Next words will be about a reman dropin.
Just overfill the crankcase with 2 qts of oil.
You can also jack the back of the truck up.
Both above will submerge the pickup for the oil pump.(overfill is a better test)
If the motor starts, the issue is crack at the weld on the pickup bracket
or the flange of the pickup to the pump. The flange also has a gasket.
This dealer dont know chit about a PSD. Nor do they want to open a manual.
The test above is right out of the dealer's troubleshooting/diag manual!
BTW- The only way i have seen pickup tubes clogg is when the motor
has nylon teeth on a cam gear. The PSD does not have this.
.02
Bill
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From: Thomasville, GA
Well I just found out today that their diesel mechanic (the only one they have) is going on vacation until August 8th.
So even if they weren't going to "soak it" I wouldn't be getting work done on it for almost 2 weeks. I'm about ready to take it somewhere else.
I wish you guys could come and ask questions for me. I don't know enough about the internal technical workings and sensors and such to really know what to ask.
What I need is a list of specific questions to ask and then I can report the answers back to here. Could someone put a list together for me today? I want to go talk to them after I get off work...
So even if they weren't going to "soak it" I wouldn't be getting work done on it for almost 2 weeks. I'm about ready to take it somewhere else.
I wish you guys could come and ask questions for me. I don't know enough about the internal technical workings and sensors and such to really know what to ask.
What I need is a list of specific questions to ask and then I can report the answers back to here. Could someone put a list together for me today? I want to go talk to them after I get off work...
Postmaster
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From: Levittown
Google powerstroke deaeration valve. You will see tons of info.
The valve could be bad or unscrewed from the cover.
Your truck is a 95. Your ser# will tell you which cover you have.
Gen2-1824378C1 pictures from outdoors photos on webshots
I cannot see how it had a so called ---"a weak lpop" when tested. Now a new pump and no pressure.
Its all bs
Bill
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From: Thomasville, GA
I did fill the HPOP as well and it would try to start for a second and then it would be drained again.
I need a list of questions to ask the mechanic at the dealer this afternoon. This problem is a little above my understanding level here, so I'm just not sure what to ask.
I have decided that if they don't answer my questions to my satisfaction then I will be having my truck towed to Coastal Diesel Service. After talking to their service department they sound much more knowledgable, and they have received a lot of complaints and gotten a lot of vehicles that were sent to the dealer I have mine at first. Plus they are purely a diesel shop.
I need a list of questions to ask the mechanic at the dealer this afternoon. This problem is a little above my understanding level here, so I'm just not sure what to ask.
I have decided that if they don't answer my questions to my satisfaction then I will be having my truck towed to Coastal Diesel Service. After talking to their service department they sound much more knowledgable, and they have received a lot of complaints and gotten a lot of vehicles that were sent to the dealer I have mine at first. Plus they are purely a diesel shop.
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From: Semper Fi tell I die!
trowing parts, guessing, money wasting, next thing you know your bill will be more then your trucks worth, then when you refuse to pay, they will mechanic lean on it, and it will become their shop truck.
Postmaster
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From: Medford Oregon
You would have also had to fill the HPOP for the test.
Google powerstroke deaeration valve. You will see tons of info.
The valve could be bad or unscrewed from the cover.
Your truck is a 95. Your ser# will tell you which cover you have.
Gen2-1824378C1 pictures from outdoors photos on webshots
I cannot see how it had a so called ---"a weak lpop" when tested. Now a new pump and no pressure.
Its all bs
Bill
Google powerstroke deaeration valve. You will see tons of info.
The valve could be bad or unscrewed from the cover.
Your truck is a 95. Your ser# will tell you which cover you have.
Gen2-1824378C1 pictures from outdoors photos on webshots
I cannot see how it had a so called ---"a weak lpop" when tested. Now a new pump and no pressure.
Its all bs
Bill
Ask mechanic if this could be your problem ..
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Brownie, it looks like you have the same problem as I did. If that valve lost the ball bearing inside, you'll never get oil up to the HPOP. Too bad, cause you need to pull the motor to get the oil pan& front cover off, and reseal oil pan correctly. Good luck and let me know if I can help
Thank you, C
Thank you, C
Post Fiend
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From: Texas
I did fill the HPOP as well and it would try to start for a second and then it would be drained again.
I need a list of questions to ask the mechanic at the dealer this afternoon. This problem is a little above my understanding level here, so I'm just not sure what to ask.
I have decided that if they don't answer my questions to my satisfaction then I will be having my truck towed to Coastal Diesel Service. After talking to their service department they sound much more knowledgable, and they have received a lot of complaints and gotten a lot of vehicles that were sent to the dealer I have mine at first. Plus they are purely a diesel shop.
I need a list of questions to ask the mechanic at the dealer this afternoon. This problem is a little above my understanding level here, so I'm just not sure what to ask.
I have decided that if they don't answer my questions to my satisfaction then I will be having my truck towed to Coastal Diesel Service. After talking to their service department they sound much more knowledgable, and they have received a lot of complaints and gotten a lot of vehicles that were sent to the dealer I have mine at first. Plus they are purely a diesel shop.
If you want to ask questions, ask what hole they used to read your oil pressure. If they say ICP sensor, kick them in the shin.
More importantly, ask them if their new LPOP is bad or if they are trying to charge you to install a part you never did need. Ask them if they measured clearance to determine the amount of wear in the old LPOP. Then ask what they measured it at.
Click Me go to page 5 figure 10. Should be a max clearance of .003" I'm guessing they didn't check the old pump, and may not even know how to do it. Ask them if they're willing to put their recommendations in writing about filling the crank case with kerosene to get rid of the silicone like stuff that may be blocking the pick up tube.
Or if you're tired of them, just tell them you're getting it towed out since the mechanic is leaving for a couple of weeks. Since the new pump is in, and the old pump is obviously old, I'd offer to pay for parts, but not labor since none of this was obviously needed.
Then you need to call Coastal diesel and ask them what discount you get it you allow them to make the towing arrangements so the driver can walk in and loudly say he's there to pick up the truck and tow it to Coastal since the dealer can't figure out how to fix it.
Now if you're not going to fix this yourself, stop farting around with it and just get it out of the idiot shop. Let the independent shop look at it. Mention the items suggested here and then go spend time playing with your new baby.
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You know the stuff they say doesn't add up if it had some oil presure it should be able to fill the HP oil resivor and atleast atempt to start. If I had to take a SWAG at it I would say your orings took a dump they were lost trying to diagnose it and found the oil presure was a bit low due to normal wear they replaced the pump forgot to or didn't know to lube the new pump befor they put it in they burt up the new pumpcranking it dry and now are trying to cover there asses. why would it be pumping what ever was in there befor and now be unable to.
They're just throwing parts at it hoping to get lucky. I'm starting to think they checked oil pressure at the ICP and determined you needed a new LPOP. Tell them to remove the inspection plug off the HPOP reservoir and crank the motor. If the pick up tube is really clogged, then it won't make a mess all over their shop.
If they think you've got a slimy mess floating around in your oil, then have them pull the oil filter and cut it open to see how plugged the filter is. Maybe send an oil sample off to blackstone. If there's enough junk in the oil pan to plug the pick up tube, then your injectors should be shot too. If the pick up tube is cracked, have them over-fill the crank case with oil and jack up the back end. When the oil level in the pan raises above the crack, the truck should start.
If I were you I'd start asking some very specific questions and demanding some very specific answers. Start by determining where they are reading LPO from. If they have been reading HPO numbers, ask them if they blocked off one head at a time to isolate which one has the problem. If your problem is low ICP, it could be injector o-rings.
If they think you've got a slimy mess floating around in your oil, then have them pull the oil filter and cut it open to see how plugged the filter is. Maybe send an oil sample off to blackstone. If there's enough junk in the oil pan to plug the pick up tube, then your injectors should be shot too. If the pick up tube is cracked, have them over-fill the crank case with oil and jack up the back end. When the oil level in the pan raises above the crack, the truck should start.
If I were you I'd start asking some very specific questions and demanding some very specific answers. Start by determining where they are reading LPO from. If they have been reading HPO numbers, ask them if they blocked off one head at a time to isolate which one has the problem. If your problem is low ICP, it could be injector o-rings.
You're getting close to doing the right thing. Just go ahead and get it towed.
If you want to ask questions, ask what hole they used to read your oil pressure. If they say ICP sensor, kick them in the shin.
More importantly, ask them if their new LPOP is bad or if they are trying to charge you to install a part you never did need. Ask them if they measured clearance to determine the amount of wear in the old LPOP. Then ask what they measured it at.
Click Me go to page 5 figure 10. Should be a max clearance of .003" I'm guessing they didn't check the old pump, and may not even know how to do it. Ask them if they're willing to put their recommendations in writing about filling the crank case with kerosene to get rid of the silicone like stuff that may be blocking the pick up tube.
Or if you're tired of them, just tell them you're getting it towed out since the mechanic is leaving for a couple of weeks. Since the new pump is in, and the old pump is obviously old, I'd offer to pay for parts, but not labor since none of this was obviously needed.
Then you need to call Coastal diesel and ask them what discount you get it you allow them to make the towing arrangements so the driver can walk in and loudly say he's there to pick up the truck and tow it to Coastal since the dealer can't figure out how to fix it.
Now if you're not going to fix this yourself, stop farting around with it and just get it out of the idiot shop. Let the independent shop look at it. Mention the items suggested here and then go spend time playing with your new baby.
If you want to ask questions, ask what hole they used to read your oil pressure. If they say ICP sensor, kick them in the shin.
More importantly, ask them if their new LPOP is bad or if they are trying to charge you to install a part you never did need. Ask them if they measured clearance to determine the amount of wear in the old LPOP. Then ask what they measured it at.
Click Me go to page 5 figure 10. Should be a max clearance of .003" I'm guessing they didn't check the old pump, and may not even know how to do it. Ask them if they're willing to put their recommendations in writing about filling the crank case with kerosene to get rid of the silicone like stuff that may be blocking the pick up tube.
Or if you're tired of them, just tell them you're getting it towed out since the mechanic is leaving for a couple of weeks. Since the new pump is in, and the old pump is obviously old, I'd offer to pay for parts, but not labor since none of this was obviously needed.
Then you need to call Coastal diesel and ask them what discount you get it you allow them to make the towing arrangements so the driver can walk in and loudly say he's there to pick up the truck and tow it to Coastal since the dealer can't figure out how to fix it.
Now if you're not going to fix this yourself, stop farting around with it and just get it out of the idiot shop. Let the independent shop look at it. Mention the items suggested here and then go spend time playing with your new baby.
I agree on the LPOP.. The damage will be visually verifiable.. & scrap the kerosene idea...
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From: Semper Fi tell I die!
those morons are gonna f something up worse then it is, either go in there and lite the place up, or get it towed out to save whats left before its to late, ive delt with morons like this before.
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From: Thomasville, GA
They didn't do the kerosene idea. I got in there and stopped them before they could. I was told by the independant shop that the mechanic at the dealer doesn't know what he's doing and they get a lot of business from unhappy customers of theirs.
I will definately be asking them those questions Chris.
The truck will be towed tomorrow or this weekend to the other shop.
I will definately be asking them those questions Chris.
The truck will be towed tomorrow or this weekend to the other shop.
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From: Thomasville, GA
Where and how should the LPOP pressure be measured? What kinda numbers should it be getting?
Post Fiend
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From: Texas
EOP sensor hole, HPOP reservoir, or someplace like that. Oil pressure at idle should be somewhere around 10 psi. WOT would be in the 40 - 70 range I believe.