Gas vs PSD
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FTE's SPECS PAGE lists yours at 235 HP.
I know later models went to 250 and 275 HP in the auto and manual transmission models in 2002, which is more than the T444e ever made.
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I will name 3. The 5.9 cummins, the 7.3 PSD (known as the T444E if used in school buses, delivery trucks and dump trucks) and the 6.0psd (known as the VT365 when used in international trucks like buses, and dump trucks)
I am sure there are others. And if I am not mistaken the newer cummins is also used in new buses and SA dump trucks too.
I am sure there are others. And if I am not mistaken the newer cummins is also used in new buses and SA dump trucks too.
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If you put in a 300hp+ diesel in it, you'll need beefier parts which makes no sense when you have the superduty line already @ 400 hp.
It doesnt make any sense to put a diesel in the f150 that would require extra parts beefed up or changed, because they already make that truck. Its the super duty.
It doesnt make any sense to put a diesel in the f150 that would require extra parts beefed up or changed, because they already make that truck. Its the super duty.
You really can't build a truck any beefier than the 04s and up 150s. All boxed frame superduty leafsprings heavy body panels. These are not the 80/90s f150s. These trucks are built to gross 10k easy. If anything might need some attention will be braking if you upped the gcvr to 15k but that has nothing to do w/ the engine cause the 6.2l will handle that as well.
The maintance/cost of engine doesn't make sense for it to be in an f150
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For some reason I get the feeling your thinking about an engine that weighs 900lbs just because its making 300 hp. I would not think so. I dunno that the weight would be cut in half but it would be at less. Why would the f150 need beefed up? Its gas engines already put out the power this diesel engine would make. So its down to weight of the engine. I would doubt it would weigh anymore than the 6.2l which is offered in the laraits.
You really can't build a truck any beefier than the 04s and up 150s. All boxed frame superduty leafsprings heavy body panels. These are not the 80/90s f150s. These trucks are built to gross 10k easy. If anything might need some attention will be braking if you upped the gcvr to 15k but that has nothing to do w/ the engine cause the 6.2l will handle that as well.
The maintance/cost of engine doesn't make sense for it to be in an f150
You really can't build a truck any beefier than the 04s and up 150s. All boxed frame superduty leafsprings heavy body panels. These are not the 80/90s f150s. These trucks are built to gross 10k easy. If anything might need some attention will be braking if you upped the gcvr to 15k but that has nothing to do w/ the engine cause the 6.2l will handle that as well.
The maintance/cost of engine doesn't make sense for it to be in an f150
A high power diesel from a car is not the same.
The truck is heavier, and it also might be pulling a camper or other trailer, thus it must be a heavy duty engine that can handle a high duty cycle.
Realize that a lot of overseas "trucks" with little powerful diesels are about the size of our mini vans. Our trucks really are huge.
I think a diesel could get stuffed into an f150, as long as the TQ curve was very similar to the 6.2 gas, and it had a different TQ converter.
Putting a powerful engine in it , IMHO, would be pointless, like i said, if they did do this, I think the main goal should be fuel economy.
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I will name 3. The 5.9 cummins, the 7.3 PSD (known as the T444E if used in school buses, delivery trucks and dump trucks) and the 6.0psd (known as the VT365 when used in international trucks like buses, and dump trucks)
I am sure there are others. And if I am not mistaken the newer cummins is also used in new buses and SA dump trucks too.
I am sure there are others. And if I am not mistaken the newer cummins is also used in new buses and SA dump trucks too.
Non of those engines where ever used in a passenger car though.
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I realise that the 6.2 L is more powerful, but the low end TQ of the diesel will be harder on the transmission.
A high power diesel from a car is not the same.
The truck is heavier, and it also might be pulling a camper or other trailer, thus it must be a heavy duty engine that can handle a high duty cycle.
Realize that a lot of overseas "trucks" with little powerful diesels are about the size of our mini vans. Our trucks really are huge.
I think a diesel could get stuffed into an f150, as long as the TQ curve was very similar to the 6.2 gas, and it had a different TQ converter.
Putting a powerful engine in it , IMHO, would be pointless, like i said, if they did do this, I think the main goal should be fuel economy.
A high power diesel from a car is not the same.
The truck is heavier, and it also might be pulling a camper or other trailer, thus it must be a heavy duty engine that can handle a high duty cycle.
Realize that a lot of overseas "trucks" with little powerful diesels are about the size of our mini vans. Our trucks really are huge.
I think a diesel could get stuffed into an f150, as long as the TQ curve was very similar to the 6.2 gas, and it had a different TQ converter.
Putting a powerful engine in it , IMHO, would be pointless, like i said, if they did do this, I think the main goal should be fuel economy.
I agree for different reasons w/ you.
That the diesel is a bad idea. I just can't see $5k or so more on a F150. Although a larait w/ the 6.2l seems to be more than a base 6.2l SD. Don't hold me to that it seems like that's what I priced em at. My wife 1st thought she wanted a f150 w/ the 6.2l untell she saw the SD and she fell in love.
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600 ft lbs of TQ at a diesel power band is a little much for the transmissions in the f150's, IMHO.
I think 5,000$ to upgrade to a diesel engine is actually a touch lean, now that they have to put in the DPF and urea injection. But I could be wrong.
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buying a new diesel is not worth it if you arent deleting it. just doesnt matter what platform it is (unless they magically cost the same from the dealer as a gasser) . .misewell find a crew cab OBS ford and put a turned up 4bt in it if you want 30+ mpg and the towing capability of any new truck. at literally a fraction of the cost. . . .
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buying a new diesel is not worth it if you arent deleting it. just doesnt matter what platform it is (unless they magically cost the same from the dealer as a gasser) . .misewell find a crew cab OBS ford and put a turned up 4bt in it if you want 30+ mpg and the towing capability of any new truck. at literally a fraction of the cost. . . .
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I think it could be done, I just think if you tuned the engine that hot you'd need to cut back the tow rating.
600 ft lbs of TQ at a diesel power band is a little much for the transmissions in the f150's, IMHO.
I think 5,000$ to upgrade to a diesel engine is actually a touch lean, now that they have to put in the DPF and urea injection. But I could be wrong.
600 ft lbs of TQ at a diesel power band is a little much for the transmissions in the f150's, IMHO.
I think 5,000$ to upgrade to a diesel engine is actually a touch lean, now that they have to put in the DPF and urea injection. But I could be wrong.
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look above, i never said it would "outpull the 6.7psd". i said it would have the towing capability of any new truck. . .which, beside for factory tow ratings, is true. im actually making the same argument for the 4bt that you use provokingly in your signature about your v10 vs a psd, except im adding that the 4bt powered OBS ford can get 30 mpg unloaded.
i wasnt tryin to start a pissin match between a 4bt powered truck and anything else, so you dont have to defend against it. i was merely suggesting the only realistic viable alternative to a new-aged emission restricted diesel in a 1/2 ton pickup. (3/4-1 tons of old weigh less than even the 1/2 tons of the present, which is why i suggested to use them, along with the legality of the swap)
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A kid around here has a V-10 with a set of stacks, and whenever he passes by my place, he grabs a cog, and in his mind....thinks the truck sounds good I guess.
I think it sounds like a large man's **** after a big feed of baked beans.
In terms of the new dpf engines; I can only speak for the class 8 heavy duty crowd. The particulate filter era is seeing more problems than any other class of engines ever built, specifically with regeneration issues. Constant dealership visits due to clogged dpf's and "7th injector" problems. Very costly downtime if you're trying to make a living with your vehicle.
Comes under the heading of "older is better"...
I think it sounds like a large man's **** after a big feed of baked beans.
In terms of the new dpf engines; I can only speak for the class 8 heavy duty crowd. The particulate filter era is seeing more problems than any other class of engines ever built, specifically with regeneration issues. Constant dealership visits due to clogged dpf's and "7th injector" problems. Very costly downtime if you're trying to make a living with your vehicle.
Comes under the heading of "older is better"...
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i dont see the point in any stack that isnt actually functional. and functional stacks generally look stupid when not hooked to a trailer. . . .they stick up high so the cargo doesnt get sooted out. anything else just makes the bed obsolete. . .stacks with gassers are just as cool i guess.
not a v10 but funny story. . .a guy with a 1500 hemi lives down the road from me, for 2 years prob he would throttle hard by my house. i guess he never understood i didnt care cuz i would just creep by his. it wouldnt matter what time it was he would gueese it by my house, even 215 in the mornin after he left the bar down the road. i dunno what exhaust he has but its enough to be loud. i caught him at a 2 lane light right up the street (by chance) one day and burned him so bad hes been quiet ever since.
not a v10 but funny story. . .a guy with a 1500 hemi lives down the road from me, for 2 years prob he would throttle hard by my house. i guess he never understood i didnt care cuz i would just creep by his. it wouldnt matter what time it was he would gueese it by my house, even 215 in the mornin after he left the bar down the road. i dunno what exhaust he has but its enough to be loud. i caught him at a 2 lane light right up the street (by chance) one day and burned him so bad hes been quiet ever since.