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I do maintanace and mechanic work in our fleet, bar none gassers are the ideal engine for fleet use, cheaper everything, less problems etc. The diesels are $$$ to maintain and are only good for one thing TOWING!!!!! We got a 16 Ram with the Cummins to do the towing and heavy hauling needs. The last 5 7.3 and the last stupid 6.doh-(more problems that I care to mention) have held over 350k with minor non mechanical failures but they do get abused hard and are always exceding its carring and towing capacity.
Emissions components are the easy scapegoat, but very rarely are to blame when we see a $15,000 tale of woe in the late-model diesel forums.
Tom, you should really be aware that DEF (HPFP) and regens (sensors, valves) are both part of the emissions system. As is the EGR. If all this stuff were deleted, both fuel efficiency and reliability would go from really good to through the roof. Bad fuel is almost never to blame.
PS I wonder how long the 6.2L will run without oil
Tom, you should really be aware that DEF (HPFP) and regens (sensors, valves) are both part of the emissions system. As is the EGR. If all this stuff were deleted, both fuel efficiency and reliability would go from really good to through the roof. Bad fuel is almost never to blame.
Every post I have read, bad fuel was always to blame.
It was not bad fuel to blame for the HPFP failure on my '15! It just failed! That particular truck had a glitch that no one seemed to be able to identify, which I believe led to the failure! did cover it under warranty!!! But, I traded the truck, so I have no idea whether the original glitch was resolved by replacing the fuel system, or if it continued to raise its ugly head.....no longer my problem.
Because of the complexity of all the computerized systems on these new truck, the potential for problems has risen, but there are getting to be a lot of 6.7's out there with an excess of 200,000 trouble free miles on them. But I will agree that the 6.2 is a very reliable platform, and would be very impressive if made an "EGO-BOOST" version of it!!! 😎😎😎
Not to mention overhauls, everyone likes to cite some guy who has a ton of miles on his gasser, but overhauls are a fact of life for most high mile gas trucks. I have over a million miles on gasser trucks (combined between 5-6 vehicles), and I've rebuilt every one, my f2 is on its 3rd engine, 400k on the clock.
I always laugh a little when I hear someone talking about how legendary the 7.3 powerstroke was.
Why laugh at a deserved reputation?
Don't think they were without their faults.
Because we all think they are perfect?
Everything mechanical can and will fail. I haven't seen anyone on any forum realistically claim the 7.3 has no faults.
I would consider them a good motor, but they inherited their reputation from a motor that had nothing in common with each other except the fuel they burned(well, kinda) and their displacement, the 6.9/7.3 idi. The idi was farm tractor stupid simple and would run off anything short of water. The 93.5/94 turbo version was choked down as to not out do the incoming 94.5 powerstroke. Put an aftermarket low boost turbo system on the N/A version a they made very good power for their day.
Inheriting a reputation doesn't mean it isn't a deserved reputation. It doesn't matter how it starts, what matters is if the rep is true.
Operator error putting DEF in the fuel tank blows up HPFP. This can't be a real question of yours.
Driver error is one scenario, but you really think that's where the majority come from? What's caused all the 6.4L HPFP failures?
Originally Posted by '90F2urd
Not to mention overhauls, everyone likes to cite some guy who has a ton of miles on his gasser, but overhauls are a fact of life for most high mile gas trucks. I have over a million miles on gasser trucks (combined between 5-6 vehicles), and I've rebuilt every one, my f2 is on its 3rd engine, 400k on the clock.
Overhauls are a fact of life for diesel engines as well. You seem to read about a lot more failures under 200,000 miles in the diesel forums than you do gas. Modern gas engines can go a long time as well, someone in the '17 Super Duty forum just commented on their V10-powered work truck still going strong with over 7,000 engine hours and 400,000 miles. I don't think this is an advantage for diesel engines anymore...they've gotten less reliable over time as gas engines have done the opposite.