That will end up the dispute pretty fast.
Technical means talking numbers and talking long term cost, performance and most of other things the gas engine will always loose.
They only will win in cold weather start up an initial cost.
End of the story,

 

I like that one meet where the Cummins didn't make it up the hill without hurting itself (Sorry, I know it was depressing, being a neighbor to one of the guys and all, and he was heavily tuned with no EGT gauge, but ... sorry, can't help but snicker).

At least my engine is manufactured and designed by Ford (excluding the 6.7 PSD that is)

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OK, on a serious note, I am going to try to keep out of the discussion, and just play with my moderator hat here.

Listen to the mods/admins and try to think happy thoughts before clicking "Submit Reply"

 

Your not alone. That's turned into a favorite moment by almost everyone.

My neighbor took it all pretty well. He was calm and excepting of the whole thing. I don't know how many thousands he put into by the time it was rebuilt but he did't go cheap. He got a bigger turbo and injectors and all the internals were replaced except for the crank, and I think all the robs. Also I think he had all the cylinders sleeved but I don't remember exactly. He did use the original head (had to be shaved a little bit) and I think he had a complete value replacement and grind done. Oh, and of course, he got a nice tuner with digital gauges including a probe for EGT.

Here is one of the old burnt pistons.

 

Quick question, just throwing it out there for discussion.

If there was a 3.35 liter 4-cylinder PSD option available, half that of the 6.7 PSD, that put out 400ft/lbs (again, half of the 6.7), would you buy it?

Theoretically, it would get MUCH better MPGs, still be a diesel, and be more suited to regular bed-sized loads, or very light trailers.

It would be on-par with the torque of the 6.2L V8 gasser, but with a lot less RPM range, it would be way down in HP compared to the 6.2.

But, maybe it could squeek out 30MPGs unloaded highway?

 

Nope, not for me.

 

Brother don't. I mean it. What makes this board the greatest on the planet is you mods. How in the heck they ever put together the mods that owns drives and use the products that the board covers is amazing.
I was never going to mention this. A couple weeks ago I was at lowes getting lumber to fix my catch pin that the tornado decided I didn't need anymore. I was loading up this young guy 23 yrs old {come to find out a marine just got back to the states from afgan} walks up and ask a couple question about my truck. I'm answering them and this young man torn between a gas SD and a diesel. He actually says to me he'd been reading on a site called FTE v10 vs psd. I just it off that yea I read some of that. Well the guys is asking about copontents that we talk about in here failing on the 6.0l not thinking about it I pop my hood and showing him the oil cooler egr valve/cooler ficm blah blah. Out of no where I hear " read some my ***" I have a tag "Exiled" on the front of my truck. He just plans on pulling a fishing boat thru MS, TENN, and GA. So based on is intentions I suggested that a gasser would serve him real well and we parted w/ me feeling that this thread has armed a young man to make a decision. The parts I showed him was ones he asked about.
We need you activily in here putting the gasser where it deserves. Us "the members" are just going to have to do our job and mind our manners and follow the rules. So these great threads can stay akive and at top so to be easly found by people that feel they need alittle insight to choose between the different drive trains of the best trucks on 4 and 6 wheels.......

 

If I understand your logic that put the 3.3l specs at 200 hp and 400 ft tq? If we agree on these numbers no I wouldn't buy it. I use hp as a rateing number of how the engery is beening used and available by the system. So clearly both can bench the same but the 6.2 is putting in more reps.

 

It should be the same.

 

Well, I wouldn't say 200HP, maybe 280-300. It would require say 3600-3800RPM at 400ft/lbs to get 280HP. Let's call it the "PSD Ecoboost" where it would have basically a flat torque curve.

 

Basically an F-150 or Ranger engine. Depends on the other engines available, engine track record, emmisions equipment (DEF and DPF?) and etc. Lots of factors for me. I'll say if Ford came out with such a diesel in the F-150 or Ranger for the 2012 MY and the 3.5l EB was available I would rather have the EB over the diesel you mentioned.

 

At 400ft/lbs and 280-300HP, wouldn't that fit the bill for a lighter-use diesel in a Superduty chassis?

 

In a Ranger, yes. In a superduty that weighs almost 4T, no.

And if I wanted it in the Ranger:
Ford Australia - The All-New Ranger - Performance

 

Not quite sure why not. What was the 7.3 rated at? 250HP and 525ft/lbs?

More HP than the 7.3, with the torque of the current 6.2L gasser.

Let's go to 3/4s the HP and torque of the 6.7. Let's say 300HP and 600ft/lbs.

That's right at the 7.3. with possibly 33% better fuel economy?

 

Depends which 7.3 Art, my 96 was rated at 425 lb/ft.

 

Not trying to be a troll or anything, but a gas engine is perfectly suited for what i tow -

(there is another one on there too, just not in this picture)

For some people, a 5.4 works just fine. It might not be loud, as fuel efficient or long lasting, but it gets the job done. And its still a Super Duty, which is what i care about
Edit: i understand this is v10 vs psd, but my 5.4 is just missing two cylinders haha