Gas vs PSD
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Yeah, thats a good engine, so is the 3.0l BMW diesel. 295bhp and 442lb ft (in non US markets - the US one makes 265hp and 425lb ft)
Neither are available in commercial vehicles though - and I would almost bet that their figures would be lowered quite a bit to get them in a much cheaper commercial vehicle that is designed to haul a tonne, and tow 3 more for a couple of hundred thousand miles.
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Neither are available in commercial vehicles though - and I would almost bet that their figures would be lowered quite a bit to get them in a much cheaper commercial vehicle that is designed to haul a tonne, and tow 3 more for a couple of hundred thousand miles.
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There is whole line of 5 cylinder diesels used in Sprint chassis. Those make 2 million miles before overhaul in Europe. For some reasons they have lot of issues in US running in FedEx fleet.
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Quick question, just throwing it out there for discussion.
If there was a 3.35 liter 4-cylinder PSD option available, half that of the 6.7 PSD, that put out 400ft/lbs (again, half of the 6.7), would you buy it?
Theoretically, it would get MUCH better MPGs, still be a diesel, and be more suited to regular bed-sized loads, or very light trailers.
It would be on-par with the torque of the 6.2L V8 gasser, but with a lot less RPM range, it would be way down in HP compared to the 6.2.
But, maybe it could squeek out 30MPGs unloaded highway?
If there was a 3.35 liter 4-cylinder PSD option available, half that of the 6.7 PSD, that put out 400ft/lbs (again, half of the 6.7), would you buy it?
Theoretically, it would get MUCH better MPGs, still be a diesel, and be more suited to regular bed-sized loads, or very light trailers.
It would be on-par with the torque of the 6.2L V8 gasser, but with a lot less RPM range, it would be way down in HP compared to the 6.2.
But, maybe it could squeek out 30MPGs unloaded highway?
Absolutely !!!
This is what ford should offer in the F150 if they're killing the ranger !!!
For those that want a diesel but don't neeeed one, this would be the way to go.
They should offer 3 motors :
6.2 gas
4 cyl diesel
ecoboost
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Germans seem to think that heavy hauling and racing are separate things and their commercial applications do have smaller engines than passenger cars.
There is whole line of 5 cylinder diesels used in Sprint chassis. Those make 2 million miles before overhaul in Europe. For some reasons they have lot of issues in US running in FedEx fleet.
There is whole line of 5 cylinder diesels used in Sprint chassis. Those make 2 million miles before overhaul in Europe. For some reasons they have lot of issues in US running in FedEx fleet.
Name one diesel engine that is used both in passenger vehicles, and in commercial trucks. Without either a major detuning or other modifications.
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From what I remember the famous 454 was mounted in passengers cars, pickups, delivery trucks and 8 tons motorhomes as well.
Than you are asking about diesel?
US manufacturers never learned to make small diesels, but even 50 years ago the same 4 cylinder Mercedes engines were installed in small cars, delivery trucks as well as smaller airport buses. Good number of those 22' buses made it to US as RV and are still loved by their owners. I drove one of those buses 3 years ago in California. Sure 4 cylinders is not making it a rocket, but than you get over 20 mpg on 40 years old bus.
From what I remember the famous 454 was mounted in passengers cars, pickups, delivery trucks and 8 tons motorhomes as well.
Than you are asking about diesel?
US manufacturers never learned to make small diesels, but even 50 years ago the same 4 cylinder Mercedes engines were installed in small cars, delivery trucks as well as smaller airport buses. Good number of those 22' buses made it to US as RV and are still loved by their owners. I drove one of those buses 3 years ago in California. Sure 4 cylinders is not making it a rocket, but than you get over 20 mpg on 40 years old bus.
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Just thought I'd step in for a minute and thank all of you for keeping this on topic and for getting along while having differing opinions. Let's keep up the good posting and keep the thread open.
Thanks again guys.
Thanks again guys.
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That said, the same engine is available in a 200hp version, which is only available in the passenger cars...
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Also,
the diesel should not be 250 hp - 300 hp, this will push it too far and wreck what could have been a good thing.
It should be right around 200 HP, if someone needs / wants a 400 HP diesel truck, they already make one.
To put a 300 HP diesel in an f150 would be a waste of time, because anyone that needs that power to tow or whatever should be buying a super duty.
exactly half of the 6.7 would be ideal. not 6 cyl, just a 4. thats plenty.
This will still tow and haul ***, without going to the super duty platform.
And it will get awesome mileage doing it.
Don't forget the old 3/4 tons with 7.3 IDI diesels that can tow all kinds of crap and only make 170 HP.
the diesel should not be 250 hp - 300 hp, this will push it too far and wreck what could have been a good thing.
It should be right around 200 HP, if someone needs / wants a 400 HP diesel truck, they already make one.
To put a 300 HP diesel in an f150 would be a waste of time, because anyone that needs that power to tow or whatever should be buying a super duty.
exactly half of the 6.7 would be ideal. not 6 cyl, just a 4. thats plenty.
This will still tow and haul ***, without going to the super duty platform.
And it will get awesome mileage doing it.
Don't forget the old 3/4 tons with 7.3 IDI diesels that can tow all kinds of crap and only make 170 HP.
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What ford removing the Ranger from the line up? That a big mistake.
They need something to keep the small Toyota off their butts. If you give up on the lower section of the market you people will not come to you to upgrade to a F150 or superduty.
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They need something to keep the small Toyota off their butts. If you give up on the lower section of the market you people will not come to you to upgrade to a F150 or superduty.
On Edit: It's nice to have this thread back.
Last edited by donovan; Jun 3, 2011 at 11:13 AM. Reason: thank for bring back this thread.
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What ford removing the Ranger from the line up? That a big mistake.
They need something to keep the small Toyota off their butts. If you give up on the lower section of the market you people will not come to you to upgrade to a F150 or superduty.
On Edit: It's nice to have this thread back.
They need something to keep the small Toyota off their butts. If you give up on the lower section of the market you people will not come to you to upgrade to a F150 or superduty.
On Edit: It's nice to have this thread back.
The ranger isn't as small as you think, I think 80% the size of a normal truck.
I always thought they were like 50 % as big, but no.
The mileage on the ranger isn't that great when compared to a f150 with a v6.
I personally think they should keep it alive and re think it from the ground up.
1. crew cab option.
2. motor choices : 3.7 gas, 3.5 ecoboost, small diesel.
3. keep nicer rangers on the lot, not plane jane boring trucks. Crew cab ranger with a sunroof.
4. sexy offroad packages, lots of young people own these trucks. (roll bars, bush bumpers, sweet wheels & tires. hood scoops)
5. Complete bumper to bumper LED lighting. Small things like this can make a sale. And costs virtually the same for a MFG to sell.
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The ranger isn't as small as you think, I think 80% the size of a normal truck.
I always thought they were like 50 % as big, but no.
The mileage on the ranger isn't that great when compared to a f150 with a v6.
I personally think they should keep it alive and re think it from the ground up.
1. crew cab option.
2. motor choices : 3.7 gas, 3.5 ecoboost, small diesel.
3. keep nicer rangers on the lot, not plane jane boring trucks. Crew cab ranger with a sunroof.
4. sexy offroad packages, lots of young people own these trucks. (roll bars, bush bumpers, sweet wheels & tires. hood scoops)
5. Complete bumper to bumper LED lighting. Small things like this can make a sale. And costs virtually the same for a MFG to sell.
I always thought they were like 50 % as big, but no.
The mileage on the ranger isn't that great when compared to a f150 with a v6.
I personally think they should keep it alive and re think it from the ground up.
1. crew cab option.
2. motor choices : 3.7 gas, 3.5 ecoboost, small diesel.
3. keep nicer rangers on the lot, not plane jane boring trucks. Crew cab ranger with a sunroof.
4. sexy offroad packages, lots of young people own these trucks. (roll bars, bush bumpers, sweet wheels & tires. hood scoops)
5. Complete bumper to bumper LED lighting. Small things like this can make a sale. And costs virtually the same for a MFG to sell.
I can tell you this, if Ford were to build the Ranger you described above, I would buy another one in a heartbeat as a second vehicle. My '98 was one of the best trucks I've ever owned.
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You seem to be minority with this opinion. VW is putting 300 HP diesels in cars and SUV for about a decade with great success. Check the used V10 diesel prices on Autotrader to see how US buyers love them too.
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But parkland was talking about towing - not passenger cars. 300HP is FUN in a car. But trying to tow heavy with a car or even an SUV that's less than an Excursion is not.
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The problem I see is Ford getting the price right to compete. If it cost $5k more for the diesel upgrade and the maintance cost roughly like it does for the psds now then there's no way it'll be economical. You could have already bought a SD with the 6.2l and surfer the milage but recoop w/ the maintance cost.
There's no real numbers to crunch to say for sure. I just don't see how Ford could pull it off.
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