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Old Aug 23, 2009 | 11:37 PM
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Agreed. I would want a 4wd in that case, to use low range.
It is true, There is a big power difference.
99- 03 7.3 235 HP.
05- 5.4 310 HP.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
It is true, There is a big power difference.
99- 03 7.3 235 HP.
05- 5.4 310 HP.
Read some of my previous posts in this thread, you're preaching to the choir
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bill11012
It is true, There is a big power difference.
99- 03 7.3 235 HP.
05- 5.4 310 HP.
I believe you missed the entire point of the "torque is everything" debate. The situation redstroker described is about brute strength to pull an object up a hill. Torque is the brute strength and horsepower is how fast the strength can be applied. If you don't have the strength in the first place, it doesn't matter how fast you can apply it.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 09:30 AM
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How would the higher HP not Out tow the lower HP?
Torque helps, but that is to big a difference for it to make up for.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 09:39 AM
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MORE bench racing ?!?!?!


As Nike said - Just do it !


Jeeze Louise
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush117
I believe you missed the entire point of the "torque is everything" debate. The situation redstroker described is about brute strength to pull an object up a hill. Torque is the brute strength and horsepower is how fast the strength can be applied. If you don't have the strength in the first place, it doesn't matter how fast you can apply it.
Sigh... Here we go again. Torque AT THE REAR WHEELS is what pulls objects up hills. Assuming you have the right gearing (most trucks do), higher-horsepower motors will be able to produce higher rear-wheel torque, and do it at a higher rate of speed. Engine torque comparisons are just about meaningless at this point. Engine torque is literally only half of the equation.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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You said it much better than me.....
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 10:35 AM
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Yeah a 5.4 would pull it, once it was moving.lol I highly dought that a 2wd 5.4 would have even budged it. The 7.3 almost didnt keep traction and i was hardly givin it throttle. It might have started to move it you dumped the clutch at 5k, but the tires wouldnt hold. I just put it in low and let the clutch out till it started boggin and just gave enough throttle to keep the rpms just above idle.
 
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Originally Posted by 04redstroker
Yeah a 5.4 would pull it, once it was moving.lol I highly dought that a 2wd 5.4 would have even budged it. The 7.3 almost didnt keep traction and i was hardly givin it throttle. It might have started to move it you dumped the clutch at 5k, but the tires wouldnt hold. I just put it in low and let the clutch out till it started boggin and just gave enough throttle to keep the rpms just above idle.
I could see how it could be an issue in a 5.4 manual, if you can't initially get the RPMs up high enough to get in the power band. An auto trans would help that, 4wd low-range would be even better.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 01:38 PM
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If you revved it, and gently let the clutch out the 5.4 would pull it ok.
I would rather pull it with a V10 still.
With my V10 i have lost traction on pavement pulling posts.
Really need a pallet in the back for weight.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 04redstroker
Yeah a 5.4 would pull it, once it was moving.lol I highly dought that a 2wd 5.4 would have even budged it. The 7.3 almost didnt keep traction and i was hardly givin it throttle. It might have started to move it you dumped the clutch at 5k, but the tires wouldnt hold. I just put it in low and let the clutch out till it started boggin and just gave enough throttle to keep the rpms just above idle.
And this is why an automatic is recommended by most manufacturers for towing. You have to maliciously abuse your clutch to get a load like that moving. There is virtually no wear incurred if done with an automatic...torque converters are wonderful things!
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 02:49 PM
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It depends on how it is geared. My 4R100 is crap tell 30mph the 1st gear is so high.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 03:02 PM
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And this is why an automatic is recommended by most manufacturers for towing. You have to maliciously abuse your clutch to get a load like that moving. There is virtually no wear incurred if done with an automatic...torque converters are wonderful things!
Your whole post, is so true LOL... so so true.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 03:29 PM
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I didnt have to ride the clutch long. Just the first few sec to get it rollin then i let it all the way out. Just didnt wanna bust a ujont or somethin so i kept it slow.lol The a$$ end of the truck was walkin side ways, but the tires wernt spinnin.lol I had to pull up the hill at an angle to the truck to stay out of the intersection and to make the turn to get off the main road.
 
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sounds fun. lol
 
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