Gas vs PSD
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Modular motor junkie
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My rig is a E350 V10 1 ton van and the trailer is a 5th wheel.
other wise i would.
BTW, I can only out pull a stock PSD. I never said i could out pull any PS, I said I could out pull a stock PS any day of the week
I would need a chip, intake, headers and Y pipe to stay with you guys that put that stuff on your diesels.
other wise i would.
BTW, I can only out pull a stock PSD. I never said i could out pull any PS, I said I could out pull a stock PS any day of the week
I would need a chip, intake, headers and Y pipe to stay with you guys that put that stuff on your diesels.
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I have been driving semis for the construction industry for the past 12 years, I cant remember ever seeing a gas big truck, or a gas dozer.....When it comes time to work hard and get the job done with minimal downtime, a diesel gets it done!
And, not to start a Chevy vs Ford argument, but my best friend and I argue the gas vs diesel all the time. his 03 8.1 Chevy 1 ton gets 9mpg on a good day and his oil changes are about $30 less than mine (both using syn) I average 18-20mpg, with diesel being about .20 -.30 cheaper a gallon than the 93 oct he uses.....I don't need a calculator to figure who's the smarter one.
Just my .02
And, not to start a Chevy vs Ford argument, but my best friend and I argue the gas vs diesel all the time. his 03 8.1 Chevy 1 ton gets 9mpg on a good day and his oil changes are about $30 less than mine (both using syn) I average 18-20mpg, with diesel being about .20 -.30 cheaper a gallon than the 93 oct he uses.....I don't need a calculator to figure who's the smarter one.
Just my .02
If all gassers were like his and all PSD were like yours, I would be on the other side of the fence.
I have an 83 that has a 6.9 in it, the 460 just takes to much gas .
Why did ford have to kill the 7.3.
And why are they killing the V10 for 2011?
I do not think i will ever get a new truck if I can not get either one of those motors in it.
Molon Labe
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From what I have heard, the reason Ford killed the 7.3 was for emissions, the 7.3 had none. why they didn't add to it, instead of coming out with the 6.0 nightmare...I dont know! maybe they wanted the next best "hi-tech" diesel. On paper the 6.0 is a masterpiece. unfortunetly, that idea backfired (pardon the pun)
I have no reason why they would get rid of the v10, may have something to do with the new govt fuel mileage standards. cant remember what year they take affect, but I believe they want trucks to be in the 20+mpg bracket.
What engines will they offer? I can see squeezing mpg's from a half ton, most haul groceries anyway, but leave the bigtrucks (3/4-1 ton) alone. They have work to do!
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From what I have heard, the new 6.7 ford made diesel and the new 6.2.
I think the 5.4 will still be the base.
It is all just rumors about the gassers, the 6.7 is for sure.
rumor has it the ranger and crown vic will be killed for 2011 also.
I have gotten 15 mpg out of my truck highway, 12.5 city and 13.5 highway towing.
My worst ever tank was 9.6 and the average( I tow every day) is about 10 to 12.
I think the 5.4 will still be the base.
It is all just rumors about the gassers, the 6.7 is for sure.
rumor has it the ranger and crown vic will be killed for 2011 also.
I have gotten 15 mpg out of my truck highway, 12.5 city and 13.5 highway towing.
My worst ever tank was 9.6 and the average( I tow every day) is about 10 to 12.
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All of them.
The power and torque of the V10 is at a much higher rpm so I can run a lower gear.
that= more to the ground because of the gear reduction i can run.
I can run 2 gear up to 70 mph.
It has an air intake, but other than that it is stock.
I am about to get a 5 star tune and 4.30s.
I am thinking about a magnaflow, Y pipe and headers.
The power and torque of the V10 is at a much higher rpm so I can run a lower gear.
that= more to the ground because of the gear reduction i can run.
I can run 2 gear up to 70 mph.
It has an air intake, but other than that it is stock.
I am about to get a 5 star tune and 4.30s.
I am thinking about a magnaflow, Y pipe and headers.
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4.30's will make it jump off the line. Good choice if you stay off the highway. They will put your rpm's way up.
I pull a 40" gooseneck flatbed from time to time, my F250 w/3.73's seem to pull it better on the big road that my boss's F350 w/4.10's...BUT, I'll take his truck anyday in town.
I pull a 40" gooseneck flatbed from time to time, my F250 w/3.73's seem to pull it better on the big road that my boss's F350 w/4.10's...BUT, I'll take his truck anyday in town.
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I go on the highway 1/2 the time and in town 1/2 the time.
With 3.73s I turn 1850 going 70 and with 4.30s I would turn 2250.
I have to down shift out of OD way to much going 70 with a load which puts me running 2850. The V10s like the revs a whole lot more than the Power strokes do, so I should be good with that.
With 3.73s I turn 1850 going 70 and with 4.30s I would turn 2250.
I have to down shift out of OD way to much going 70 with a load which puts me running 2850. The V10s like the revs a whole lot more than the Power strokes do, so I should be good with that.
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Molon Labe
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I go on the highway 1/2 the time and in town 1/2 the time.
With 3.73s I turn 1850 going 70 and with 4.30s I would turn 2250.
I have to down shift out of OD way to much going 70 with a load which puts me running 2850. The V10s like the revs a whole lot more than the Power strokes do, so I should be good with that.
With 3.73s I turn 1850 going 70 and with 4.30s I would turn 2250.
I have to down shift out of OD way to much going 70 with a load which puts me running 2850. The V10s like the revs a whole lot more than the Power strokes do, so I should be good with that.
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I go on the highway 1/2 the time and in town 1/2 the time.
With 3.73s I turn 1850 going 70 and with 4.30s I would turn 2250.
I have to down shift out of OD way to much going 70 with a load which puts me running 2850. The V10s like the revs a whole lot more than the Power strokes do, so I should be good with that.
With 3.73s I turn 1850 going 70 and with 4.30s I would turn 2250.
I have to down shift out of OD way to much going 70 with a load which puts me running 2850. The V10s like the revs a whole lot more than the Power strokes do, so I should be good with that.
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no, a psd will get my truck off the line with its low grunt. I agree that both have different places were they shine.
but the gearing of my truck lets me run 70 in 2 gear, so I can get more tq to the road than a psd at speed. A PSD has to run OD at that speed to get all its tq out of the motor, so you lose a lot to the gearing. The advantage is the rpm a V10 can turn making all its tq, and the gear it can run because of that to get it all to the road.
It is about final drive ratio more than just rear end ratio, and yes I have a 2V from the fist year the V10 was made.
but the gearing of my truck lets me run 70 in 2 gear, so I can get more tq to the road than a psd at speed. A PSD has to run OD at that speed to get all its tq out of the motor, so you lose a lot to the gearing. The advantage is the rpm a V10 can turn making all its tq, and the gear it can run because of that to get it all to the road.
It is about final drive ratio more than just rear end ratio, and yes I have a 2V from the fist year the V10 was made.
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You remind me of a guy I know that rented a Nissan Titan and swears up and down that it did 0-60 mph in 4 seconds. He lacks perspective to understand what that means and puts personal experience above all other information.
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It is simple math!
how many times do i have to do this?
the 7.3 puts out the most tq, 550 pound feet at 1600 rpm.
the 2V V10 puts 350 out at 3750.
So, at 60 with the 7.3 you are running 1752 rpm in OD. 550 X 0.71 = 390.5 X 3.73 =1456.565
at 60 with my V10 I am at 3801 rpm in second gear. 350 X 1.54 = 539 X 3.73 = 2010.47
so at 60 with the 4R100 and the highway gearing, the
7.3 has 1456.565 pound feet to the wheels.
the 2V V10 has 2010.47!
so why are you comparing me to a dumb *** that does not know how to use a stop watch?
how many times do i have to do this?
the 7.3 puts out the most tq, 550 pound feet at 1600 rpm.
the 2V V10 puts 350 out at 3750.
So, at 60 with the 7.3 you are running 1752 rpm in OD. 550 X 0.71 = 390.5 X 3.73 =1456.565
at 60 with my V10 I am at 3801 rpm in second gear. 350 X 1.54 = 539 X 3.73 = 2010.47
so at 60 with the 4R100 and the highway gearing, the
7.3 has 1456.565 pound feet to the wheels.
the 2V V10 has 2010.47!
so why are you comparing me to a dumb *** that does not know how to use a stop watch?
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I understand the theory and what your sayin, but the real world doesnt matter what the piece of paper says. If it worked like that, then ever time you install some form of performance prouduct in a vehical you could just add the hp up from the side of the box, but if you run that vehical on a dyno, those numbers wont match. The one flaw with bench racing.lol Besides, my truck doesnt shift into OD till over 90 mph anyways.lol