Gas vs PSD
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Whether you realize it or not, your initial posts in this thread were hostile and offensive. You even went so far as to tell all us diesel people that we are illogical. Its uncalled for.
And here we were having a somewhat civil conversation about the differences between two types of trucks.
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I agree with the stock vs stock,but both equally equipped as sped'd by the manufacturer for a particular weight rating. By changing gear ratios on either version of the truck-you're skewing the results in favor of one or the other. The manufacturers know what they're doing when they design an equipment package for a truck based on the weight it will be rated to tow.
JL
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I always think its unfair to compare say the lowest from one, to the highest from another one (wanna see some weird comparisons like that, head on up to the 09 f150 forums and read around on some of the comparisons tot eh toyota and dodge and whatnot haha)
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Dude you seriously need to calm down.
Whether you realize it or not, your initial posts in this thread were hostile and offensive. You even went so far as to tell all us diesel people that we are illogical. Its uncalled for.
And here we were having a somewhat civil conversation about the differences between two types of trucks.
Whether you realize it or not, your initial posts in this thread were hostile and offensive. You even went so far as to tell all us diesel people that we are illogical. Its uncalled for.
And here we were having a somewhat civil conversation about the differences between two types of trucks.
Originally Posted by indyF-350psd
we know you have to make excuses for why we are going to kick you gasser guys in the nutz up one side and down the other but i rather you just PUT UP OR SHUT UP! none of this stock v. a 1984 idi diesel 
if youre trucks is so bad then take it to the line with tow in trail or not but be prepared to have your azz handed to you by the coal rollin' strokin' machine next to you. indyF-350psd OUT!!!!!!!!!!
if youre trucks is so bad then take it to the line with tow in trail or not but be prepared to have your azz handed to you by the coal rollin' strokin' machine next to you. indyF-350psd OUT!!!!!!!!!!
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No,they're not.
For example,the 2005 MY:
6.8L:
4.10 axle gets you a GCWR of 21,000 lbs.
4.30 axle gets you a GCRW of 23,000 lbs.
6.0L:
3.73 axle gets you a GCWR of 23,000 lbs.
4.10 axle gets you a GCWR of 23,500 lbs.(DRW only)
4.30 axle gets you a GCWR of 26,000 lbs.(only available with the "tow boss" package,and DRW)
These numbers are valid through 2007. In 2008, they added a "high capacity" towing package for the F450 only that brings the rating up to 33,000lbs for the 6.4L, and that's with a 4.88 axle.
JL
For example,the 2005 MY:
6.8L:
4.10 axle gets you a GCWR of 21,000 lbs.
4.30 axle gets you a GCRW of 23,000 lbs.
6.0L:
3.73 axle gets you a GCWR of 23,000 lbs.
4.10 axle gets you a GCWR of 23,500 lbs.(DRW only)
4.30 axle gets you a GCWR of 26,000 lbs.(only available with the "tow boss" package,and DRW)
These numbers are valid through 2007. In 2008, they added a "high capacity" towing package for the F450 only that brings the rating up to 33,000lbs for the 6.4L, and that's with a 4.88 axle.
JL
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Anybody that wants to do some reading can go to this one to see how "mature and civil" you diesel folks are being:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/8...10-vs-psd.html
just so things don't get edited.....
JL
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Just so you diesel folks understand-I seriously doubt bill's gonna outpull any 7.3L-even a stock one. Sorry Bill,that's my opinion-seeing your V10 is a 2V,and the lowest rated 2V that's made at that.
But,to classify the 3V 6.8L as anything like the old '99 6.8L 2V,is a very big mistake.
JL
But,to classify the 3V 6.8L as anything like the old '99 6.8L 2V,is a very big mistake.
JL
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Sorry but me thinking something is funny, isnt being uncivil!
Also regarding the max weights, I guess the comaprisons could always be done with the same ratios pulling the same weight, so the trucks arent maxed out. Thats a tough one though, which is why it should be the highest vs the highest that each truck has to offer. In the end it ultimatly comes down to truck vs truck, not engine vs engine.
Also regarding the max weights, I guess the comaprisons could always be done with the same ratios pulling the same weight, so the trucks arent maxed out. Thats a tough one though, which is why it should be the highest vs the highest that each truck has to offer. In the end it ultimatly comes down to truck vs truck, not engine vs engine.
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damn, i like your style! you school these guys all day long! they think they have posted with some validity and you go and throw some logic at them
n/a to n/a there is no comparison, diesel can be a great power plant, but this does not mean that my V10 is not, to each their own
what about the claim of over 14mpg towing 15K
n/a to n/a there is no comparison, diesel can be a great power plant, but this does not mean that my V10 is not, to each their own
what about the claim of over 14mpg towing 15K
Ive heard of people getting 14mpg while towing 15k, actually I take that back Ive SEEN it first hand, even rechecked my dads math. Not the overhead computer, we hand calculated it.
He got 14.2mpg with his 05 6.0h CC LB DRW towing a 15k 5th wheel.
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7.3 L Power Stroke Facts
- The 7.3 Liter Power Stroke is similar to the International T444E. The T444E is essentially the same engine as the 7.3 Power Stroke, but the "Power Stroke" name is only designated when the engine is used in Ford trucks. Power output and maximum RPM are the only significant differences between the engines. T444E stands for: Turbocharged 444 cubic inch Electronic (as in electronically controlled).
- The T444E has been made available in applications above 60,000 lb. GVWR, and extremely popular in the medium duty truck market while it was available.
- The 7.3 Liter Power Stroke was ranked in Diesel Power Magazine's top 10 diesel engines ever produced. Over 2 million 7.3 liter Power Strokes are still in operation today.
- Over 2 million 7.3 liter Power Stroke equipped Ford trucks are in operation. That's more than Chevrolet, GMC, and Dodge diesel equipped trucks combined.
- Though considered outdated when compared to today's diesel technology, the 7.3 was considered to be the leader in diesel technology during the time it was produced.
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7.3 L Power Stroke Facts
- The 7.3 Liter Power Stroke is similar to the International T444E. The T444E is essentially the same engine as the 7.3 Power Stroke, but the "Power Stroke" name is only designated when the engine is used in Ford trucks. Power output and maximum RPM are the only significant differences between the engines. T444E stands for: Turbocharged 444 cubic inch Electronic (as in electronically controlled).
- The T444E has been made available in applications above 60,000 lb. GVWR, and extremely popular in the medium duty truck market while it was available.
- The 7.3 Liter Power Stroke was ranked in Diesel Power Magazine's top 10 diesel engines ever produced. Over 2 million 7.3 liter Power Strokes are still in operation today.
- Over 2 million 7.3 liter Power Stroke equipped Ford trucks are in operation. That's more than Chevrolet, GMC, and Dodge diesel equipped trucks combined.
- Though considered outdated when compared to today's diesel technology, the 7.3 was considered to be the leader in diesel technology during the time it was produced.
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I love this debate, detuned for a 60,000 pound GVWR probably I will take your word for it. Tell me however when was the last time you saw a GVWR over 30,000 GVWR with a gas engine?? Tell me what motors are in semi's?? Tell me what engines are in tanks?? Let me guess you are going to ask me what engines are in lawn mowers right??
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I love this debate, detuned for a 60,000 pound GVWR probably I will take your word for it. Tell me however when was the last time you saw a GVWR over 30,000 GVWR with a gas engine?? Tell me what motors are in semi's?? Tell me what engines are in tanks?? Let me guess you are going to ask me what engines are in lawn mowers right??
Most semis are powered by 12-15 liter straight-6's. Not a "little" 6.X or 7.X V8.
Please, PLEASE don't compare a little PSD to either a tank or a semi. A PSD would NOT last in an 80,000 lb truck nor a 120,000 lb tank.
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I fully get ya on the tank thing more of a ? about what engine diesel or gas is used to haul massive loads etc. I am not saying a 7.3 powerstroke is the same. I was just stating diesel engines do more heavy towing and last longer then gas ones.