And? What have you got if you win the bet? Or if you lose it? You still have a smoking issue, and really proved nothing.......

 

so what im hearing is even in defeat a v10 is better. roll it down a hill and set it on fire and you still want the v10. even though it has less power, pulls slower, gets worse mpg, doesnt last as long, and in general just sux you still want the v10. thats like being a cubs fan. they never win but somehow they still have fans

 

actually it would prove that even when my psd isnt running right it can still leave a v10 behind.

 

Well, if it's a better truck, burning up while being pushed down a hill, it's still a better truck!

Really though, in stock form, my truck has more power than a stock 7.3L. I have a friend that pulls a trailer, then a fiver with a 7.3L. He thought it was the cat's meow. It was. My truck had more rear wheel power than his 7.3L, but somehow his truck was better in his opinion. His tranny went out prematurely, so it didn't last as long as he'd hoped, but it was still better than my truck. It got better mileage, but his fuels cost more. So, I started realizing the PSD vs V10 argument was as useful as making a statement like, "the V10 is a better truck, hands down, without question, in all aspects and respects, just is". He and I both get to the campgrounds at the same time. He can brag all he wants about his "better than a gasser" truck, but I'm more concerned with camping than arguing, unless of course the arguments are as relevant as "my truck is better even though it has less power, pulls slower, gets worse mpg, doesnt last as long", because it doesn't mean anything, 'cuz most of the arguments aren't true anyway. My V10 has more rear wheel torque than the 7.3L, it has more power, pulls faster, gets worse mpg and will last just as long.

 

Ace, obviously you have been missing out on the excitment of dragracing the 5ers!

 

This debate is about as good as debating whose wife is better in bed!

 

You mean 20+ psi of whistle...

1. That's what my wife's Hyundai is for.
2. Oh yeah, well....okay you're right.
3. LOVE the sweet smell AND noise.

PSD owners...stroked. I get it.

Great competition outline! I think it shoud be a sticky for a fill-in-the-blank and called "My ___ is better than your ___"!

Seriously, who doesn't have more horsepower than the 7.3L? The last of them still were only pumping out 250HP, which is meager by today's standards (even the first 6.0L's were 325HP). Heck, there are family sedans throwing out bigger numbers than that . You forgot to mention that the 7.3L redline is at a whopping 3400RPM too! Throw in the HEUI (not common rail) fuel injection and it costs $$$ to hot rod these puppies. I didn't buy a hot rod, I bought something to get me to work, get me to the campground (with a trailer), get me out on the trails (and back), and get me 15 years of a good truck...and that was a Ford.

Every truck and every powerplant has it's issues, whether it's a Dodge, GM, Ford, Cummins, Duramax, Powerstroke, Magnum, Vortec or Triton. It all depends on which issues you can live with and what you like to sit in.

I don't think anybody's changed their mind about what they purchased and why, but with a little , some getting a smidge of which in turn started some has made for some good reading (even though there was a lot of to read as well). Most of it was friendly rivalry with the exception of a smattering of inciting .

At the end of the day everybody goes home in their Ford , so I'd call it a draw.

Just my .02

 

I'm still trying to "translate" all those "smileys"...whew!

 

Couldn't tell you there- only have experience with mine.....

 

I've owned 03 7.3 and 08 6.4 and now 05 6.8 6.4 crapped and ford bought it back, 7.3 lost 2 cylinders in SD on family vacation liked that EX a lot was pulling 13k toyhauler when it died but to pull 20k for 10 to9 14 hours a day is beyond a 3/4 or 1 ton with 3.73 gears not happening with any PSD, 6.8 or for that fact my buddies 5.9 cummins even after having his third tranny rebuild twice by ATS. I'm not to cheap to buy a diesel just tired of braking down and the mileage really wqasn't more than 1-2.5 greater with the 7.3 and was 1-2 less with the 6.4 in comparison to the 6.8. I do miss the whistle and black smoke of my 7.3.

 

The above is hard to read. Please edit making sure to add periods.

If you're towing 20k 10-14 hours a day you need something with a CAT or Detroit diesel and preferably three axles. That being said, if I HAD to, I'd rather try it with a 3.73 turbo diesel than any 4.10/4.30 gasser. (not that I think gassers are bad, especially the V10).

Dodges are known for weak trannys.

 

Not to split hairs, but Detroit doesn't make anything light enough for that, the only "Detroit Diesel" engines are for heavy trucks. And those are DD in name only, they're mostly Mercedes designs. Mercedes-benz has an engine that would probably work, though...and they're the same company now.

Caterpillar is no longer in the business of making on-highway engines.

M-B, Navistar, Cummins, and Paccar all make capable engines for a medium duty in that range, however...

 

I hear ya Tom, good points as usual. My point was somewhat facetious in that I was an indicating a Semi may be a better fit than a PU for towing 20k at an average of 12hours per day.

 

Guess who builds those Paccar engines? Cummins.

 

How new is your info? The schools here have buses from 4 years old to new last year with cat engines.
odd thing about them is that they have egr's even thou they are medium trucks.