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Gas vs PSD
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From: So Oregon
Just so you know, I've said the same thing here in So Oregon. If someone wants to hook up their trailer and drive my truck they sure can. I think what most diesel owners will find out is the diesel and the gas are about the same...same as pickuptrucks.com found out.
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Man I wish I had known that. Maybe I would have got one.
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The V10 offers an SD buyer psd-like power for a small price premium over a 5.4. You put a turbo on a V10 and the small price premium will become a big price premium. I'm sure Ford has done an economic study and priced the V10 premium at the top of the demand curve. A turbo will change the demand curve slightly but I'd bet the significant increase in price will drop the demand sharply. Then we'd all be asking, "hey Joe Bob, remember back when Ford offered a V10 engine in a SuperDuty?"
Maybe then, this thread would end.
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Higher rate of speed = faster...... What part of that do you not understand? If a Diesel is stuck at 45mph towing a 10k load up a 16% grade, a v10 starting at 30mph but then achieving 60 mph on the same hill will eventually pass the diesel. It just depends on how long the distance is.
The sad thing about the second part of your statement is that if one was to remove the turbo from thier PSD, it would be gutless. As in GM 6.2L diesel gutless. If you cut the air going to a V-10 you'd be gutless too. What's the point?
Lastly, just to add to the fire; the saying "real trucks are diesel" should be changed to "real trucks aren't PSD".
The sad thing about the second part of your statement is that if one was to remove the turbo from thier PSD, it would be gutless. As in GM 6.2L diesel gutless. If you cut the air going to a V-10 you'd be gutless too. What's the point?
Lastly, just to add to the fire; the saying "real trucks are diesel" should be changed to "real trucks aren't PSD".
I believe you will find more wreckers/rollback trucks with PSDs than V-10's, Duramax's and Cummins combined. I'm talking in the F-450 and F-550 range.
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F-450 and 550 Wreckers and rollbacks aren't big rigs as most of you claim them to be.
The point of my "removing the turbo" statement is that a PSD has a huge advantage having a turbo. Remove that, not the air (duh) and you have a gutless diesel engine similar to the power output of a 6.2L diesel due to it's 18ish:1 compression ratio. V10s obviously don't have a turbo, so your red "addition" to my statement made no sense at all.
BTW: 1 Cummins engine outnumbers all NONE of the PSDs in big rig trucks. Duramax engines are "light duty" diesels as are EVERY SINGLE PSD.
Besides that, this has gone too far. This thread is retarded and can never be used for any good.
The point of my "removing the turbo" statement is that a PSD has a huge advantage having a turbo. Remove that, not the air (duh) and you have a gutless diesel engine similar to the power output of a 6.2L diesel due to it's 18ish:1 compression ratio. V10s obviously don't have a turbo, so your red "addition" to my statement made no sense at all.
BTW: 1 Cummins engine outnumbers all NONE of the PSDs in big rig trucks. Duramax engines are "light duty" diesels as are EVERY SINGLE PSD.
Besides that, this has gone too far. This thread is retarded and can never be used for any good.
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From: Windsor, Colorado
Higher rate of speed = faster...... What part of that do you not understand? If a Diesel is stuck at 45mph towing a 10k load up a 16% grade, a v10 starting at 30mph but then achieving 60 mph on the same hill will eventually pass the diesel. It just depends on how long the distance is.
The sad thing about the second part of your statement is that if one was to remove the turbo from thier PSD, it would be gutless. As in GM 6.2L diesel gutless.
Lastly, just to add to the fire; the saying "real trucks are diesel" should be changed to "real trucks aren't PSD".
The sad thing about the second part of your statement is that if one was to remove the turbo from thier PSD, it would be gutless. As in GM 6.2L diesel gutless.
Lastly, just to add to the fire; the saying "real trucks are diesel" should be changed to "real trucks aren't PSD".
BTW, a IDI 7.3 will outwork a 6.2 all day long, but that would be whole other topic together.
If a real truck is diesel I could care less, but my trucks have always had diesel and the fact that my pickup and X have them is just a bonus
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From: Windsor, Colorado
F-450 and 550 Wreckers and rollbacks aren't big rigs as most of you claim them to be.
The point of my "removing the turbo" statement is that a PSD has a huge advantage having a turbo. Remove that, not the air (duh) and you have a gutless diesel engine similar to the power output of a 6.2L diesel due to it's 18ish:1 compression ratio. V10s obviously don't have a turbo, so your red "addition" to my statement made no sense at all.
BTW: 1 Cummins engine outnumbers all NONE of the PSDs in big rig trucks. Duramax engines are "light duty" diesels as are EVERY SINGLE PSD.
Besides that, this has gone too far. This thread is retarded and can never be used for any good.
The point of my "removing the turbo" statement is that a PSD has a huge advantage having a turbo. Remove that, not the air (duh) and you have a gutless diesel engine similar to the power output of a 6.2L diesel due to it's 18ish:1 compression ratio. V10s obviously don't have a turbo, so your red "addition" to my statement made no sense at all.
BTW: 1 Cummins engine outnumbers all NONE of the PSDs in big rig trucks. Duramax engines are "light duty" diesels as are EVERY SINGLE PSD.
Besides that, this has gone too far. This thread is retarded and can never be used for any good.
You really think the 5.9 is a heavy duty diesel??
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It is apparent you did not read any of the information I am referring to. on speed and times pulling the grades. And your comment about the turbo just reinforced what I had sad about you guys and your complaints about the turbo.
BTW, a IDI 7.3 will outwork a 6.2 all day long, but that would be whole other topic together.
If a real truck is diesel I could care less, but my trucks have always had diesel and the fact that my pickup and X have them is just a bonus
BTW, a IDI 7.3 will outwork a 6.2 all day long, but that would be whole other topic together.
If a real truck is diesel I could care less, but my trucks have always had diesel and the fact that my pickup and X have them is just a bonus
2. IDI 7.3 had a much higher comp ratio than PSD 7.3L Turbo. Also found here: http://www.thedieselstop.com/faq/949...q/engcomp.php3
3. You may be the only one who cares less, but in almost every case of a post that asks "Gas or Diesel" some soot blowing fool has to use the statement in question when the only thing similar to his truck and a big rig is the type of fuel it uses. Isn't that stupid?
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From: Windsor, Colorado
1. I did read it, and I read the entire test performed on pickuptrucks.com, over and over again. The V10 would have "caught and passed" the diesel had the course (towing 10k up a 15% grade) been longer. Its the truth, and yes it is a huge advantage. I believe the link is here: http://www.pickuptrucks.com/html/200...otout7mpg.html
I still would never buy a V10 if I was intending on pulling full time or in my situation often. JMHO, but I dont trade every couple of years so I have to pick a motor that will work for the long haul.
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From: So Oregon
Real trucks use diesel!!!! YEAH!!!! WOOOHOOO!!! Oh, but the PSD isn't a "real" truck if that means heavy duty. If you're looking for a Super Duty, 1-ton type truck, the PSD or V10, or 5.4L V8 for that matter, get the job done. Yes, if the "track" were longer the V10 would have reached the "top" faster than the PSD. It's a fact...the V10 continues making power when the PSD achieved it. The PSD got to it's "top speed" and the V10 was continuing to gain speed and power on it. Regardless, they get 150 miles down the road, to the final desination, at about the same time.
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You tend to have laughing smileys and "LOLs" in just about every post, makes me wonder about your state of mind.
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I DOnt think I would buy either... The Ford mechanic at the shop I was delivering a 6.4 liter to, said stay away from that engine. You have to pull the cab off to R&R it. What a mess that was... They have mechanical flaws causing them to not last long.
I tow alot of weight with my 5.4 and she runs right with my sons 7.3 and my buddies 6.0.
I think if they ever offered a Cummins in a Ford from the factory... Maybe then.
In semi's you can pick you engine...(cat,volvo,cummins,detroit) maybe Pickups should come to that also.
I tow alot of weight with my 5.4 and she runs right with my sons 7.3 and my buddies 6.0.
I think if they ever offered a Cummins in a Ford from the factory... Maybe then.
In semi's you can pick you engine...(cat,volvo,cummins,detroit) maybe Pickups should come to that also.