Gas vs PSD
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Wow. 3 months, 2,143 posts, a few cases of beer, and we went from this:
to this:
Amazing. Congratulations, Bill! 
Originally Posted by bill11012
Well, You guys have showed me the truth.
I would make more money with a 7.3 as a work truck.
I still love my V10, but it looks like the PSD ( at least the 7.3 ) Is a better motor for a lot of applications. Never thought I would say that!
I would make more money with a 7.3 as a work truck.
I still love my V10, but it looks like the PSD ( at least the 7.3 ) Is a better motor for a lot of applications. Never thought I would say that!
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It really depends on what your use is for. If you want a V10 to go to the grocery store and pull your boat that's fine. If you need to pull a bobcat or a mid size tractor you will definetly want a diesel. Diesel is way more consistant for miles per gallon when you just do normal driving and when your pulling. Not only that you said it yourself you have heard V10's going up to 500k miles and diesels can go up to 1 million miles, that's double the life and mileage. So in a reality you said that the cost of a diesel is more yes, but you are also getting double the life. As far as what you said about the value lost...your totally wrong about saying it's because it's more. That is not the concept. The concept is that they hold their value better (ie: You buy a 2004 V10 for $16,000 and 2 years later it's worth $10,000, a diesel you buy a used 2004 PSD for $23,000 and 2 years later it's "still" worth $19,000. You lose more money each year you have a gas much more than you do with a diesel. Diesel's have a much better resell value overall whether it's at an auction or car lot.
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It really depends on what your use is for. If you want a V10 to go to the grocery store and pull your boat that's fine. If you need to pull a bobcat or a mid size tractor you will definetly want a diesel. Diesel is way more consistant for miles per gallon when you just do normal driving and when your pulling. Not only that you said it yourself you have heard V10's going up to 500k miles and diesels can go up to 1 million miles, that's double the life and mileage. So in a reality you said that the cost of a diesel is more yes, but you are also getting double the life. As far as what you said about the value lost...your totally wrong about saying it's because it's more. That is not the concept. The concept is that they hold their value better (ie: You buy a 2004 V10 for $16,000 and 2 years later it's worth $10,000, a diesel you buy a used 2004 PSD for $23,000 and 2 years later it's "still" worth $19,000. You lose more money each year you have a gas much more than you do with a diesel. Diesel's have a much better resell value overall whether it's at an auction or car lot.
A PSD, whichever variation, is NOT going to see 1,000,000 miles. Not gonna happen. International rated the B50 life of a T444E engine at 350,000 miles, and that was a detuned version of a PSD.
The V10, on the other hand is part of an engine family that's legendary for it's longevity. It's not uncommon to see one go over 300,000 miles. Repairs to this engine are also far cheaper than repairs to a more complex turbodiesel.
Also, I've never driven a 6.0 or 7.3, but my 6.4 mileage varies widely depending on what I'm pulling. With a 24-foot 9,500 lb trailer, I get around 8.5-10. Empty I get between 15-17. These figures are highway miles, city would bring them closer together.
You're exactly right regarding resale value, though. It's really amazing what people will pay for a used, and sometimes even worn out, PSD.
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I NEVER thought I would say that, but the numbers don't lie. The 7.3 is cheaper to operate.
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I don't agree with everything here.
A PSD, whichever variation, is NOT going to see 1,000,000 miles. Not gonna happen. International rated the B50 life of a T444E engine at 350,000 miles, and that was a detuned version of a PSD.
The V10, on the other hand is part of an engine family that's legendary for it's longevity. It's not uncommon to see one go over 300,000 miles. Repairs to this engine are also far cheaper than repairs to a more complex turbodiesel.
Also, I've never driven a 6.0 or 7.3, but my 6.4 mileage varies widely depending on what I'm pulling. With a 24-foot 9,500 lb trailer, I get around 8.5-10. Empty I get between 15-17. These figures are highway miles, city would bring them closer together.
You're exactly right regarding resale value, though. It's really amazing what people will pay for a used, and sometimes even worn out, PSD.
A PSD, whichever variation, is NOT going to see 1,000,000 miles. Not gonna happen. International rated the B50 life of a T444E engine at 350,000 miles, and that was a detuned version of a PSD.
The V10, on the other hand is part of an engine family that's legendary for it's longevity. It's not uncommon to see one go over 300,000 miles. Repairs to this engine are also far cheaper than repairs to a more complex turbodiesel.
Also, I've never driven a 6.0 or 7.3, but my 6.4 mileage varies widely depending on what I'm pulling. With a 24-foot 9,500 lb trailer, I get around 8.5-10. Empty I get between 15-17. These figures are highway miles, city would bring them closer together.
You're exactly right regarding resale value, though. It's really amazing what people will pay for a used, and sometimes even worn out, PSD.
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Okay, well I guess we have our own opinions. I have a fleet of 20 diesel rigs out here and they range from 2003-2009. 3 trucks almost of every year to be exact. I have close to 525,000 on 8 of them and another 7 have close to 400-475k and 3 of them with only 80,000 or less. So as far as what INT says they may say that for their own protection from lawsuits, but I know they run well over what you quoted. My cousin has almost 580k on his 2002. As far as MPG goes I get around 11-14 on my truck pulling or no pulling. Either way diesel is much better than gas. We used to run gas and most of the trucks were only lasting 275k without major overhaul problems, I do agree they are cheaper to work on.
It's like comparing a briggs and stratton lawnmower engine to a 460 V8. Sure they burn the same fuel, but that's where the similarities end.
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Which kind of "diesel rig" are you talking about? A PSD is a far cry from a medium or heavy duty diesel engine. Heavy duty engines on highway service often can see 1,000,000 miles. A small displacement V8 diesel has almost NOTHING in common with a 3,100 lb, 6 cylinder, 15-liter turbodiesel.
It's like comparing a briggs and stratton lawnmower engine to a 460 V8. Sure they burn the same fuel, but that's where the similarities end.
It's like comparing a briggs and stratton lawnmower engine to a 460 V8. Sure they burn the same fuel, but that's where the similarities end.
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changed them at 100K, the truck is at 164K now.
Well, You guys have showed me the truth.
I would make more money with a 7.3 as a work truck.
I still love my V10, but it looks like the PSD ( at least the 7.3 ) Is a better motor for a lot of applications. Never thought I would say that!
Well, You guys have showed me the truth.
I would make more money with a 7.3 as a work truck.
I still love my V10, but it looks like the PSD ( at least the 7.3 ) Is a better motor for a lot of applications. Never thought I would say that!
Oh well now another good thread dead.
Looks like it's over...Bill It looks like you already grew up this summer, Now you are a man of your years & realize the err of your ways.
I think the 7.3 is better than my V10 too. But the real question is:
Is a 5.9 Cummins better than a 7.3
The V10 will soon go the way of the Dino's we have a collector item now.
Fords Best Kept Secret. I hate to say it but it's Over