Personally I voted with my wallet this year after waiting three years for a Bronco at MSRP, and bought a new 4Runner TRD Off Road, several k under sticker, by calling a local dealer who had one, and drove it home within 3 hours. Enough is enough. I am glad I didn't keep waiting for Bronco production to smooth out. I frankly don't care who gets the most blame, labor shortages, parts supply, Fords internal allocation process, production hiccup, supplier problem, parts recalls, or Ford dealer shenanigance. My Crown Victoria is still running like a champ but when it gets replaced I am fairly sure Ford won't get my business since they don't even sell a sedan in the US anymore.

 

They could just pull a Reagan and the ATC strike and just fire them all after giving warning. Contracts are expired if up for renewal, and there are many workers out there who would gladly take over. Problem is the automakers just don't have the ***** to do it.

 

Are you sure there are people lining up to work in a factory? There is such a thing as cutting off your nose to spite your face. Firing an entire experienced work force would fall into that category.

 

There is a small issue with terminating all UAW workers, and replacing them with the 300,000 migrants who arrived last month (selected as an example simply to illustrate the most readily available, least encumbered, most eager to work for the lowest wage human labor on the market)...

"We are 100% supportive of UAW workers and Shawn Fain's positions," said Kevin Moore, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters Local 299, home of James R. Hoffa in Detroit, which represents 5,000 members and most freight car haulers. "Our Teamsters will not cross strike lines."
Sep 14, 2023

Teamsters won't deliver Detroit 3 vehicles if UAW strikes
www.freep.com › 2023/09/14 › uaw-strike-contract-negotiations-teamsters

https://teamster.org/2023/09/teamste...-3-automakers/

 

Hostage takers. Needs broken up but capitalism wont be inconvenienced. Teamsters and uaw need bud light’d by consumers. If one of the big 3 stand up to uaw I’m buying their 1 ton every 2 years.

 

Third party labor organizers keep the Non Union auto plants staffed. I’m sure they are standing by & ready with workers ready to do the jobs Americans won’t.

 

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There are plenty of non union truckers out there who would be more than happy to pickup and deliver. Teamsters is another one that needs to go away. Case in Point, Chicago used to be a huge convention location, but not anymore thanks to the Teamsters and their huge fees. You cannot set up a booth at a convention center, THEY have to set it up and if they make a mistake, They have to make the corrections at a fee. Need a cord plugged in, they have to do it. A lot of the conventions moved to the suburbs where the Teamsters don't have a stranglehold because of it.

 

 

Exactly!! I've seen this exact BS go on in the past, at both the National Hardware show and at the NPE plastics show.

 

If our entire countries ATC force could be replaced in a short time period then imagine how easy it would be to replace assembly line workers.

 

Don't even need a torque wrench!

https://fordauthority.com/2023/09/fo...in-august/amp/

 

I totally agree with you, the average pays 150,000 a year. I'm sure everybody would be lining up to be an auto worker.

Now times that by 130,000 workers. Those XL's would be 110K starting

plus, when you're 56 you're out of a job. Sound like a double win.

 

Old Dog

i don’t think many would argue with the benefits of a union generations ago. Or even some of the aspects of them today.

but what they’ve evolved into, the list of pros & cons has greatly shifted to the side of cons.

there are countless real life examples of how they have evolved into a parasite on a lot of the processes they touch

fighting for good working conditions and worker rights is admirable. But as with most any organization as they grow too big they abuse the power and start becoming a detriment

 

Ok, I do agree with you on many points, I'm far from extremist by any means.

Let's talk about politicians while not getting political. And I'm not talking about any particular Jokers.

Whether it be a mayor, governor, senator or president or any and all. It usually comes down to two that are the final choices. There is no way you or I are going to agree with them 100%. You may like 51% of one of the candidates, but he says he will raise your taxes, do away with something, the other one says your taxes are going to go down but what's something else you feel strongly about will change in a way you don't like.

EOD, you don't like either one, but you want to exercise your constitutional right? And vote for one of them.

Which one do you vote for, the one that makes You 51% happy or the one that makes 49% happy

It's the same way with unions, some are very good, others not much. This president of this union is being a hard ***, it could have been one that is more passive and realistic, and there may have not been a strike, therefore, this discussion won't be happening.

If there was no strike would we be having any of these conversations, would any of these hateful undertones come to light? Who here even thought about the union workers two months ago, 4 months ago, 6 months ago, a year ago? Exactly, no body. Now with the pending shutdowns, everybody's up in arms and concerned about it.

A week from now, month or whatever the strike will fade, and so will these conversations. We forget all of this. Those workers good or bad. Have to live and work and try and make a living.

Maybe some will get their wishes and Pedro or Sandra Dee will be building your next Ram, Chevy, or Ford for pennies on the dollar while CEO's get even money from all the profits they take in from you and I.

Nobody here has blamed management here for the debacle of the last couple of years with the super duty, nobody here is asking for accountability of them. They'd rather blame the front line workers.

I'm assuming many here are probably middle management, so it's a reflection, is that why?