With a strike upon us ....
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If the workers are truly worth more, they should absolutely be paid what they are worth by moving on to a better paying job or start their own companies.
Bitching about pay while voluntarily stays at a job is the laziest form of protest. The wages are set based on supply of suitable workers. If there are workers waiting to get on the payroll, why should companies pay more? It's the same with trucks, manufacturers and dealers have no reason to lower prices if consumers keep getting into longer and longer loans to drive 80-100k trucks on low salaries.
Bitching about pay while voluntarily stays at a job is the laziest form of protest. The wages are set based on supply of suitable workers. If there are workers waiting to get on the payroll, why should companies pay more? It's the same with trucks, manufacturers and dealers have no reason to lower prices if consumers keep getting into longer and longer loans to drive 80-100k trucks on low salaries.
That IS how it usually works... 
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But they weren't "just bitching", they went off the job. They "basically" stopped/quit working, That is why this thread exists.. FORD "could" have just shut the doors, fired them all, hired people who would cross a picket line after all there are sooo many non skilled people out there that they could have just waltzed in there and done the work, NOT, or give them a raise that would satisfy 51%+ and that is what they did... That IS how it usually works...
That IS how it usually works... Cool.
Expect to see more and more Ford plants opening in Mexico.
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Isn't Mexico getting expensive? I would think more of India, Vietnam, etc.
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India and Vietnam have the problem of being dependent on the pacific shipping route being smooth, and the tension with China in the South China Sea will make both India and Vietnam not great for shipping heavier and bulkier merchandise like vehicles, the strait of Malacca and anything near the first island chain can be instantly shut down in a situation where access is contested.
some of the most well regarded Toyota, Honda etc models in terms of reliability are coming out of Mexico. The world is a smaller place now, the North American continent much more accutely so.
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Japan also has a massive under-class of "temporary workers" that live in dingy apartments, cyber or manga cafes,and cheap cramped short term shared accommodations with communal bathrooms and showers, subsiding on instant noodles and junkfood.
People who preach about how Japanese CEOs make much less than their US counterparts while treating their workers with paternalistic care are just regurgitating talking points of the past.
https://japantoday.com/category/feat...-japans-future
People should be careful what they wish for.
People who preach about how Japanese CEOs make much less than their US counterparts while treating their workers with paternalistic care are just regurgitating talking points of the past.
https://japantoday.com/category/feat...-japans-future
People should be careful what they wish for.
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Toyota on Wednesday said it had fully accepted its labour union’s request for an increase in base pay and seniority-based pay, without disclosing the amount of the increase. The carmaker reached an agreement with the union on the first day of negotiations that usually last weeks, saying its decision would create momentum for wage increases across the industry. Honda said it was also its quickest ever wage settlement. “We’re at the forefront of encouraging distribution [of wealth] to the entire auto industry, and each one of us is working hard for it,” said Koji Sato, who will take over as the company’s chief executive in April. “We are determined that we must do our part to raise wages to make our industry more competitive,” said Takanori Azuma, who will become chief human resources officer in April, at an online briefing.
Toyota, and how they deal with their UNIONS, and their so called "unskilled workers" that the seem to want to keep...
Toyota, and how they deal with their UNIONS, and their so called "unskilled workers" that the seem to want to keep...
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Toyota on Wednesday said it had fully accepted its labour union’s request for an increase in base pay and seniority-based pay, without disclosing the amount of the increase. The carmaker reached an agreement with the union on the first day of negotiations that usually last weeks, saying its decision would create momentum for wage increases across the industry. Honda said it was also its quickest ever wage settlement. “We’re at the forefront of encouraging distribution [of wealth] to the entire auto industry, and each one of us is working hard for it,” said Koji Sato, who will take over as the company’s chief executive in April. “We are determined that we must do our part to raise wages to make our industry more competitive,” said Takanori Azuma, who will become chief human resources officer in April, at an online briefing.
Toyota, and how they deal with their UNIONS, and their so called "unskilled workers" that the seem to want to keep...
Toyota, and how they deal with their UNIONS, and their so called "unskilled workers" that the seem to want to keep...
To be clear, since you didn't provide any supporting links to this info.....this took place back in February and is in Japan...since Toyota in the US is not unionized.
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Yes, but my point was what the CEO said... “We’re at the forefront of encouraging distribution [of wealth] "... (what... pay the unskilled more...???) "we must do our part to raise wages to make our industry more competitive,” (what, isn't it going to cost more for their vehicles..???) ..) Does anyone here think a N. American run company like the Ford CEO would ever say that...???
Also, do you know the specifics of that Japanese negotiation, what their ask was? From what I've seen, Ford has made a very generous offer.
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Yes, but my point was what the CEO said... “We’re at the forefront of encouraging distribution [of wealth] "... (what... pay the unskilled more...???) "we must do our part to raise wages to make our industry more competitive,” (what, isn't it going to cost more for their vehicles..???) ..) Does anyone here think a N. American run company like the Ford CEO would ever say that...???
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I don't think the CEO of a North American company needs to say that. The wages in that industry (in this country), in my opinion, are already competitive and the concept of distribution of wealth, each country can manage in their own way...or not.
Also, do you know the specifics of that Japanese negotiation? From what I've seen, Ford has made a very generous offer.
Also, do you know the specifics of that Japanese negotiation? From what I've seen, Ford has made a very generous offer.
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And Putin has a Special Military Operation to get rid of *****. I also have oceanfront property for sale in AZ. Cash only, nothing larger than a $20 and non sequential bills. After all, if you are going to listen to what people say, why not? People say many things, believe in few and will do even fewer.
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Another perspective or question is, why would they want or need to be unionized?
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Yes, but my point was what the CEO said... “We’re at the forefront of encouraging distribution [of wealth] "... (what... pay the unskilled more...???) "we must do our part to raise wages to make our industry more competitive,” (what, isn't it going to cost more for their vehicles..???) ..) Does anyone here think a N. American run company like the Ford CEO would ever say that...???
in a relevant article from CNN
https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/23/cars/...ntl/index.html
If 5% of pay for Honda is 92 dollars, that means the Japanese union base salary pay is about 1850 dollars a month. Even if they get a 100% bonus each year that's 3700 dollars a month.
Would UAW workers consider 44400 dollars a year as "distribution of wealth"?