With a strike upon us ....
Cargo Master
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The union mentality is Corporate Greed….who do the unions think they are? There is no such thing! GMFB!
Lead Driver
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Pretty obvious you and I are always on two different ends of the spectrum, but I'll go ahead and play that game with you.
So every lug wrench that i've seen comes in a kit and i that kit it is in a bag. I will assume it is delivered to Ford inside this bag which is probably inside of a box, which is probably on a pallet, among thousands of pallets that is delivered across plants every day.
And yes with their razor eye, they should disassemble all the pallets break open all the box. Flip open every pouch, pull out every lug wrench, they should have a station setup to check the lug wrench is keepability of turning a lug nut to a specify torque and maintaining its shape with minimal the deflection. That person should then once it's passed the torque test, repackage the lug wrench. Now we should pay that person $80,000 a year to do this, and now will raise the price of a vehicle.
While we're at it, we should have a person dedicated to testing every part that comes in from a subcontractor supplier, double check it/ triple check it and we will pass that cost along to the consumer.
Let's get really silly now.
Perhaps the wrench is correct and they put the wrong lug size on?
let's blame them for shifting on the final assembly guys, after all they put the transmission in. The failed CP4s, let's blame the final assembly guys for that too. Maybelline on line 7, she should have disassembled that six point seven as well as all the 6.7's to make sure CP4s wouldn't rotate. They're pistons inside the housing. She should check the valves and the rings for proper clearance.
Let's keep reaching and blaming the front line.
So every lug wrench that i've seen comes in a kit and i that kit it is in a bag. I will assume it is delivered to Ford inside this bag which is probably inside of a box, which is probably on a pallet, among thousands of pallets that is delivered across plants every day.
And yes with their razor eye, they should disassemble all the pallets break open all the box. Flip open every pouch, pull out every lug wrench, they should have a station setup to check the lug wrench is keepability of turning a lug nut to a specify torque and maintaining its shape with minimal the deflection. That person should then once it's passed the torque test, repackage the lug wrench. Now we should pay that person $80,000 a year to do this, and now will raise the price of a vehicle.
While we're at it, we should have a person dedicated to testing every part that comes in from a subcontractor supplier, double check it/ triple check it and we will pass that cost along to the consumer.
Let's get really silly now.
Perhaps the wrench is correct and they put the wrong lug size on?
let's blame them for shifting on the final assembly guys, after all they put the transmission in. The failed CP4s, let's blame the final assembly guys for that too. Maybelline on line 7, she should have disassembled that six point seven as well as all the 6.7's to make sure CP4s wouldn't rotate. They're pistons inside the housing. She should check the valves and the rings for proper clearance.
Let's keep reaching and blaming the front line.
Laughing Gas
Joined: Dec 2021
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From: PG, BC, Canada
So, why wouldn't the workers care what the "company" makes on their backs...??? I do NOT know what GMFB means...??? 
As for the UNION mentality... People just want a share of what the company makes, Just like the shareholders...
The people working for these companies also "invest" their time, their effort, their lives, revolve around their work, So, compensation should be equal to their input to the services they provide.... JMO it seems... 
Cargo Master
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Some people think because a company makes a lot of revenue that all positions require high compensation.
they forget compensation generally comes from the amount of time and effort it takes to acquire the skills to do your job. Those are the things someone is paid for. They’re not paid based on overall revenue.
what I can say from my experience is that the people who invest in themselves (improving current skills, gaining new skills, and furthering one’s own value those are the ones who companies invest in) aka get paid more.
if you want to do a job that a new hire can get trained for in a relatively short amount of time and just expect to be paid big bucks because ford makes a lot of money then you’ll be disappointed.
Laughing Gas
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From: PG, BC, Canada
Whether the "company" likes it or not... as long as they stick together, thus that is how & why Unions are made, companies actually, Make unions appear from nowhere, because the company actually MAKES them appear... as they are actually not needed where people are treated as a +, a contributor, not as a "cost"...
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Cargo Master
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Let's get Mary Jo out of the unemployment line and have her slap together a GT500 engine
I'm all for a lockout. That's what they did with the air traffic controllers. Let the big 3 do it.
For many of those who absolutely hate the front line workers, here's your choice to vote, nobody tells you to buy Ford GM or RAM.
Most of you do for your lifestyle, Truth to be told is very few here that actually need super duty, most are Mall crawlers.
Toyota makes a very good product. If they were smart they would get into the heavier truck line.
Cargo Master
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it’s like saying McDonald’s makes like 20 to 30 billion annually so the people making French fries deserve to work 32 hrs while being paid for 40 and make $150k salary.
Some people think because a company makes a lot of revenue that all positions require high compensation.
they forget compensation generally comes from the amount of time and effort it takes to acquire the skills to do your job. Those are the things someone is paid for. They’re not paid based on overall revenue.
what I can say from my experience is that the people who invest in themselves (improving current skills, gaining new skills, and furthering one’s own value those are the ones who companies invest in) aka get paid more.
if you want to do a job that a new hire can get trained for in a relatively short amount of time and just expect to be paid big bucks because ford makes a lot of money then you’ll be disappointed.
Some people think because a company makes a lot of revenue that all positions require high compensation.
they forget compensation generally comes from the amount of time and effort it takes to acquire the skills to do your job. Those are the things someone is paid for. They’re not paid based on overall revenue.
what I can say from my experience is that the people who invest in themselves (improving current skills, gaining new skills, and furthering one’s own value those are the ones who companies invest in) aka get paid more.
if you want to do a job that a new hire can get trained for in a relatively short amount of time and just expect to be paid big bucks because ford makes a lot of money then you’ll be disappointed.
Want your vehicle prices to rise, then meet the union demands. Otherwise hold strong and kick them out.
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Cargo Master
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Welcome to the spin zone.
You inferred they should see a significant difference in lug wrenches, you know that 1mm
My original example was electrician, You brought the electrician into your quote cuz he would be the one that would notice it bad electrical cap.
So it's the front line worker that installs it? Or were you talking about management? Who exactly would handle the lug wrench in your world?
Basically what I'm gathering from you is if I had a jug of wire caps that I got from home Depot, electrician should inspect every single cap, before putting them back in to the package until they are needed, is that what you're saying?
Who are you thinking is responsible for that particular subject? The lug wrench.
You inferred they should see a significant difference in lug wrenches, you know that 1mm
My original example was electrician, You brought the electrician into your quote cuz he would be the one that would notice it bad electrical cap.
So it's the front line worker that installs it? Or were you talking about management? Who exactly would handle the lug wrench in your world?
Basically what I'm gathering from you is if I had a jug of wire caps that I got from home Depot, electrician should inspect every single cap, before putting them back in to the package until they are needed, is that what you're saying?
Who are you thinking is responsible for that particular subject? The lug wrench.
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why am I not shocked that you dont know the difference between revenue and profit...
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Cargo Master
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it’s like saying McDonald’s makes like 20 to 30 billion annually so the people making French fries deserve to work 32 hrs while being paid for 40 and make $150k salary.
Some people think because a company makes a lot of revenue that all positions require high compensation.
they forget compensation generally comes from the amount of time and effort it takes to acquire the skills to do your job. Those are the things someone is paid for. They’re not paid based on overall revenue.
what I can say from my experience is that the people who invest in themselves (improving current skills, gaining new skills, and furthering one’s own value those are the ones who companies invest in) aka get paid more.
if you want to do a job that a new hire can get trained for in a relatively short amount of time and just expect to be paid big bucks because ford makes a lot of money then you’ll be disappointed.
Some people think because a company makes a lot of revenue that all positions require high compensation.
they forget compensation generally comes from the amount of time and effort it takes to acquire the skills to do your job. Those are the things someone is paid for. They’re not paid based on overall revenue.
what I can say from my experience is that the people who invest in themselves (improving current skills, gaining new skills, and furthering one’s own value those are the ones who companies invest in) aka get paid more.
if you want to do a job that a new hire can get trained for in a relatively short amount of time and just expect to be paid big bucks because ford makes a lot of money then you’ll be disappointed.
You'd be very surprised of the perks they have.
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From: Hartford, WI
Never needed one and after seeing what they do first hand, I'd definitely not want one to work in a place that went union.
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