Well, if you have a iPhone, You already have a dog.

I have 12 dogs, few cats and a pony, must living the dream.

Don't think the 80 will be the 30, the differences these people want to work as opposed to hang out on porches.

 

Tell me people who want to work should be less fortunately?

Maybe it's me. Personally. I don't work any regular 9 to 5 job. I personally could not stand doing the same thing over over looking at the same four walls. It's too repetitive. I work 100 or more hours a week @ times, never the same thing. Quite challenging.

Perhaps I feel sorry for the people of life's repeat from daily. I couldn't live that style.

 

What?

you don't think prices of everything will go up if everyone made 80k to render the buying power of 80k back to the basebline?

Yikes.

 

The "Work only 32 hours and get paid for 40 hours requirement" really tells the story of the UAW unions work ethics.

 

38 plants shut down today.

So bottom line... you all may have strong opinions but you aren't UNION STRONG...

UAW is showing it's sheer dominance now... soon Stellantis and GM will be begging for this to definitively end..

Those leaked texts proved that UAW is willing to get down and dirty with how it dominates these discussions.

I love all the paragraphs being written in this thread. Your all so passionate for having opinions that matter little..

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I'm the opposite. I feel sorry for those working 100hrs a week never knowing what they will be doing day-to-day. I want a set work schedule so I can plan my personal life accordingly. I want to know I can clock out and never think about work again until I clock back in.
I did something similar when I started working with my current company. I had a start time, but never knew what job I'd be doing that day, or when I would get off (2nd shift...you stayed 'til it was done...3hrs or 14hrs)

 

I have a friend that works for Metalsa. They build all the truck frames for heavy trucks (Peterbilt, KW, Volvo, etc...). For a while after he started, he worked three 12's (36hrs) and got paid for 40. Non-Union.

 

"The United Auto Workers union expanded its strike against major carmakers Friday, walking out of 38 General Motors and Stellantis parts-distribution centers in 20 states.Ford was spared additional strikes because the company has met some of the union’s demands during negotiations over the past week, UAW President Shawn Fain said during an online presentation to union members.

“We’ve made some real progress at Ford,” Fain said. “We still have serious issues to work through, but we do want to recognize that Ford is showing that they are serious about reaching a deal. At GM and Stellantis, it’s a different story.”

 

Your position that any of us owe you an answer to such a dumb, nebulous question is amazing. Of course, it depends upon your physical location, your age, your wants, your needs, and, MOST IMPORTANTLY, your skillset / capabilities.

One of my brothers lives in southern California. One of my brothers lives in rural Georgia. Both have ~2,500 sq. ft. houses, multiple cars, etc. Guess which one needs more money to live?

So who needs what? And how do you pay for it? I personally set my retirement funding as a high priority in my life and have worked to fund it heavily since I was 30 or so. So, again, what is good for me is different than what is good for others.

I'll tell you how someone who is making $80,00 a year is overpaid - if they have no skills that's how. Are you one of the minions who thinks just because you are a working adult you "deserve" to make a living wage? So if I am a 30 year old Whopper Flopper I deserve $50,000 per year? Sorry - not buying in to that. My first "real" job (i.e. income tax paying) was as a bag boy in a grocery store, making $2.85 / hr. That's what the job paid and that is what I was worth as a bagboy. After a year or so I got the chance to become a "stockman", putting the products on the shelves, doing inventory, processing returns for credits, etc. That paid $6.50 / hr. and that is what I was worth doing it. Guess what - the GM of the store made over $75,000 per year with salary, stock options, benefits, etc. Does that mean the bagboys were underpaid? Nope - both the GM and the bagboys were paid what they were worth FOR THE SKILLSETS THEY POSSESSED.

I'll ask you - do you really believe that someone putting tail lights into a F-150 should be paid $98,000 per year? PLUS all of the other benefits they get? Would you be willing to say that a fire fighter / paramedic requires much more skill and has a much tougher work environment than the tail light guy? Do you know how many paramedics don't make anywhere near $98,000 per year?

Reality checks are what is missing in today's millinidiot dominated world.

 

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since the topic on hand is UAW, please show which large labor union endorsed anyone else in the last 8 election cycles.

if NAFTA and China given status of favored trade partner didn’t make the membership alarmed, they deserve every bit of fallout that their leadership has brought upon them.

 

Sad to see FORD caving to these economic terrorists. FORD tough my azz.

 

I guess I can't do that about official endorsements, so you've got a point. Maybe once a thing gets too large, it has a tendency to go a certain way, I don't know. But I do have a short story. I drove to PA to buy a truck in 2015, the sellers were a big company very pro union and not shy about displaying their political preference everywhere at the time. They were not in favor of Joe Biden. I just never forgot that because I had always heard union people voted Democrat.

 

Hey guys,

I apologize in advance, but we need to pause this thread for a little while, to allow time to cool off, clean up, and then get back to discussing an evolving issue that is especially relevant to members waiting on their 2023 and 2024 orders of Super Duties.

We'll be back in a bit.

 

Hi again guys,

Thank you very much for your patience through this thread's short cooling off period.

When David Demmith, Ford's Vehicle Integration Supervisor for the Ford Super Duty program, presented (one year ago this week) the all new 2023 model that he had worked on for five years (since 2018), he often introduced new features and changes as solutions to overcome customer reported "pain points."

I often think of the term "pain points" when reviewing a thread. What are the distracting pain points that derail and deteriorate a discussion to the point where a reader no longer wishes to participate anymore, and clicks away, never to return?

Pervasive personal bickering, not about the topic, but about other members, is a pain point. Pro-actively provoking other participants is a pain point. Having the flow of the topic constantly interrupted by personal tit for tat, spit for spat, is a pain point. A lot of folks don't want to have to wade through all those pain points when looking for more appropriate and informative contributions to the topic.

If the domestic automotive industry stutters to a near halt, we may not have much in the way of new colors, options, tires, batteries, warranties, fuel mileage, Sync, FORScan, or new features to talk about... so the interest in the present strike is both keen and relevant, as the thread traffic data demonstrates.

Several members reached out to me privately while this thread was closed. One member said "Understand, getting into mud slinging and politics. Been a little educational on views. Lets get back to trucks." I would have to agree.

This thread HAS had some unnecessary mudslinging. That needs to stop.

This thread has had some unnecessary politics, which seems somewhat irrelevant, since the Executive branch has no legal authority or influence to dictate the outcome of private automotive manufacturer's contract negotiations with a union. Therefore the notion that just one elected official is the cause or controller of all possible outcomes would seem to not give adequate consideration to competing interests and complexities that turn the tides time and time again, irrespective of whoever is in office. So we might learn more by talking about the business complexities, rather than riffing about the same old guys who have no role in these negotiations.

And this thread HAS been educational on views. Open discussion is the principle benefit of a forum, dating back to Roman Greco times. Sharing points of view is far more enjoyable and useful than shoveling through points of pain.

Speaking as a participant, and not as a moderator, if I share a point of view, I stand up, say my piece, sit down, and most importantly, I then shut the heck up... so that I can learn everyone else's perspective. If I keep talking, arguing to try and brow beat others into agreeing with me, then I lose out on the educational opportunity to understand how others perceive the same issue. I can always access my own opinion. To access the opinions of others, I need something like a forum.

I don't have to agree with other perspectives in order to benefit from reading them. It is wiser to learn how the enemy thinks, if for whatever reason I fall into the trap of believing that anyone who is not in my boat is an enemy. I haven't fallen into that belief (yet), but the fact remains that this is a shared ocean, and I'm not in control of the other boats... which means that to best navigate this ocean, I had best learn where the other boats nearest me are thinking of steering!

We man our own oars in these waters, without need for validation, ratification, or replication by others for our opinions.

State your case. Strongly. And the strength of your argument will linger or languish on its own merits, not by putting down others who disagree.

Discuss. Vigorously. Without destroying the decorum of the forum that enables the discussion to take place.

The wheel is in your hands.

Thread reopened.