With a strike upon us ....
Cargo Master
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About as long as it takes to learn to clean, load , and use Mickey D’s ice cream station. BUT, the uaw and unions in general love over complicating everything to justify cost. Another side effect of unions, lack of efficiency.
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Looks like Ford is making progress with the talks so UAW is only going to be striking additional plants at Stellantis and GM today. Very good news for those of us with trucks in production now. I am thankful Ford made the smart move for itself it's customers and hopefully it's employees.
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Cargo Master
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I'm not disagreeing either that offer whatsoever, looks good to me.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.
Lead Driver
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 7,937
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From: The Great State of Texas
I'm not disagreeing either that offer whatsoever, looks good to me.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.
Lead Driver
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How many in this thread has had an actual cost of living increase since he who's name is not worth mentioning took office in '21? When inflation hit 9%, did anyone get a 9% raise? I know I didn't. Guess what, a 1.5% increase does not make up the difference and my bank account shows it, instead of it going up every month as it did before '21, it has been steadily decreasing due to the costs of everything! Since '21 my 401k has tanked which now extends my retirement out a few more years. I'll bet its the same for just about everyone else too, so why should the unskilled get paid more than those of us who work 50-60 hour work weeks and haven't seen a pay increase for years? There are quite a few on this forum who could easily do their job while blindfolded.
Cross-Country
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Well, considering that most of those assembly line jobs could be learned quickly by someone with Downs Syndrome, I would say, an hour.
How many in this thread has had an actual cost of living increase since he who's name is not worth mentioning took office in '21? When inflation hit 9%, did anyone get a 9% raise? I know I didn't. Guess what, a 1.5% increase does not make up the difference and my bank account shows it, instead of it going up every month as it did before '21, it has been steadily decreasing due to the costs of everything! Since '21 my 401k has tanked which now extends my retirement out a few more years. I'll bet its the same for just about everyone else too, so why should the unskilled get paid more than those of us who work 50-60 hour work weeks and haven't seen a pay increase for years? There are quite a few on this forum who could easily do their job while blindfolded.
How many in this thread has had an actual cost of living increase since he who's name is not worth mentioning took office in '21? When inflation hit 9%, did anyone get a 9% raise? I know I didn't. Guess what, a 1.5% increase does not make up the difference and my bank account shows it, instead of it going up every month as it did before '21, it has been steadily decreasing due to the costs of everything! Since '21 my 401k has tanked which now extends my retirement out a few more years. I'll bet its the same for just about everyone else too, so why should the unskilled get paid more than those of us who work 50-60 hour work weeks and haven't seen a pay increase for years? There are quite a few on this forum who could easily do their job while blindfolded.
Inflation is largely the result of the increase of money in circulation between January 2020 and July 2020. I think people tend to over-estimate the impact any particular administration or particular party has on macroeconomics. I think if the administrations were reversed, this increase in M1 wouldn't look all that much different.
Lead Driver
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Inflation is largely the result of the increase of money in circulation between January 2020 and July 2020. I think people tend to over-estimate the impact any particular administration or particular party has on macroeconomics. I think if the administrations were reversed, this increase in M1 wouldn't look all that much different.
Much of it related to Covid and lockdowns, but adding on to it and more after 21 made it worse. Factor in the removing the US independence on oil where we are relying on other countries again, fuel prices doubled or more, groceries doubled, etc. It hurts everyone, not just those who are striking. So why should they be treated any different? They should be grateful to have a job with the benefits they get.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jun 2018
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From: Wasilla, AK
500,000 illegal immigrants from Venezuela are going to be granted work permits. I bet everyone of them would be ecstatic to work for the top three at the salaries they pay now. Start shipping them to areas where the plants are located and hire them
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Cargo Master
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Looks like Ford is making progress with the talks so UAW is only going to be striking additional plants at Stellantis and GM today. Very good news for those of us with trucks in production now. I am thankful Ford made the smart move for itself its customers and hopefully it's employees.
Lead Driver
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2.9 million entered the US this past year. Plenty of able bodies to fill those positions.
More Turbo
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Leaked UAW Messages Suggest Union Bargaining In Bad Faith (fordauthority.com)
"In a series of messages recently obtained from the news source via a private chat on the social media platform X, a close aide to UAW Shawn Fain said that negotiators aren’t using bargaining sessions with automakers to try and make progress toward a new deal, but rather, inflict “recurring reputations damage and operational chaos” on all three automakers. “If we can keep them wounded for months they don’t know what to do,” one message reads. “The beauty is we’ve laid it all out in the public and they’re still helpless to stop it.”“And creating compression points of national attention for them to do the right thing is way different than just waiting for a month for the next offer,” Jonah Furman, UAW communications director, reportedly said. “Plus, we’’e breaking pattern and they’re bargaining against each other for the first time in 70 years. And we can calibrate it exactly to their moves at the table. If Ford and GM won’t move, but Stellantis will, we can spare them.” When asked to comment on the messages, Furman said that they’re “private messages” that “you shouldn’t have.” Later, in the private chat group, he said “Someone leaked my remarks in here to the business press. I’m out.” "
"In a series of messages recently obtained from the news source via a private chat on the social media platform X, a close aide to UAW Shawn Fain said that negotiators aren’t using bargaining sessions with automakers to try and make progress toward a new deal, but rather, inflict “recurring reputations damage and operational chaos” on all three automakers. “If we can keep them wounded for months they don’t know what to do,” one message reads. “The beauty is we’ve laid it all out in the public and they’re still helpless to stop it.”“And creating compression points of national attention for them to do the right thing is way different than just waiting for a month for the next offer,” Jonah Furman, UAW communications director, reportedly said. “Plus, we’’e breaking pattern and they’re bargaining against each other for the first time in 70 years. And we can calibrate it exactly to their moves at the table. If Ford and GM won’t move, but Stellantis will, we can spare them.” When asked to comment on the messages, Furman said that they’re “private messages” that “you shouldn’t have.” Later, in the private chat group, he said “Someone leaked my remarks in here to the business press. I’m out.” "
Hotshot
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From: SW VA
I'm not disagreeing either that offer whatsoever, looks good to me.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.
There.
Logistics Pro
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If you are going to include dogs, what about a cat? What about a boat or motor home? How about annual vacation to Europe or the Carribean? New Iphones every year?
Life style is a personal choice and hundreds of millions of Americans live on 60k household income or so a year or even less. If everyone made 80k then 80k is the new 30k.
Lead Driver
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I'm not disagreeing either that offer whatsoever, looks good to me.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.
100% positive those cost as an excuse will be passed out us the consumers.
Ford will continue drake in billions of dollars in profit that you and I will paid for it.
That's not the point of there was no unions today, your pay, my pay, every blue collar workers rate would go down.
I've never said, nor will I say all unions are ran properly, or fair. Large corporations fair? Are they not greedy
In order to achieve you have to overachieve. Plain old economics.
I'll ask a again, how much does it take to make a comfortable living? Regular two/ three bedroom, white picket fence and 2.5 kids, and don't forget the dog?
Anybody can answer this but nobody will.
Tell me how someone making 80K/100K a year is over paid?
Should they be less fortunate for a reason?
I asked a lot of questions and nobody dares answering most of them at all. Obviously you're in a room full of people who have intelligence /decent jobs. Drive good trucks, yet here I wait.