With a strike upon us ....
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Some here has been blaming Ford management including Farley front and center about the poor quality Ford has been pushing lately. Farley reported recently that it will take Ford 2 years to get it's quality back on track and that's too long IMO.
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Tuned
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2 years is way to long. Farley needs to reverse ship on the failing EV dream & put some cash back into the ICE vehicles that are subsiding the EV program. Multiple price increases yearly on trucks to receive less quality, less options & less warranty parts available. I have reached my end with new FORD’s.
Logistics Pro
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2 years is way to long. Farley needs to reverse ship on the failing EV dream & put some cash back into the ICE vehicles that are subsiding the EV program. Multiple price increases yearly on trucks to receive less quality, less options & less warranty parts available. I have reached my end with new FORD’s.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...on/ar-AA1gZHqA
Tuned
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ford is currently front and center arguing AGAINST the UK government who is trying to relax the aggressive EV mandate and ICE ban deadline.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...on/ar-AA1gZHqA
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/othe...on/ar-AA1gZHqA
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I heard something about a writers strike ending. Gee, didn't know they were striking. Guess that shows how important they are.
The difference between them and the UAW is that the UAW strike doesn't impact just the car manufacturers, but all the little guys downstream that make the parts. Thats why it is brought to the forefront. It isn't like we only pitch when they strike, but many times even when they aren't. QC could be so much better if it weren't for Unions. Just look at all the US made foreign cars that have high quality and reliability and are all non union workers.
The difference between them and the UAW is that the UAW strike doesn't impact just the car manufacturers, but all the little guys downstream that make the parts. Thats why it is brought to the forefront. It isn't like we only pitch when they strike, but many times even when they aren't. QC could be so much better if it weren't for Unions. Just look at all the US made foreign cars that have high quality and reliability and are all non union workers.
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I heard something about a writers strike ending. Gee, didn't know they were striking. Guess that shows how important they are.
The difference between them and the UAW is that the UAW strike doesn't impact just the car manufacturers, but all the little guys downstream that make the parts. Thats why it is brought to the forefront. It isn't like we only pitch when they strike, but many times even when they aren't. QC could be so much better if it weren't for Unions. Just look at all the US made foreign cars that have high quality and reliability and are all non union workers.
The difference between them and the UAW is that the UAW strike doesn't impact just the car manufacturers, but all the little guys downstream that make the parts. Thats why it is brought to the forefront. It isn't like we only pitch when they strike, but many times even when they aren't. QC could be so much better if it weren't for Unions. Just look at all the US made foreign cars that have high quality and reliability and are all non union workers.
My dead reliable 9th generation Toyota Corolla was made by UAW members in California. Just think about how absurd that statement sounds like today. Trouble came when none of the lesson was learned by the rest of the union and in fact I know at the time, other union plants hated the NUMMI for being a teachers pet of sorts.
No one noticed the writers strike and the writers guild panicked and had to settle, they know their members are for the most part people who have no marketable skills otherwise besides waiting tables and working in Starbucks. The tv and movie writing has been overwhelmingly crap for the past 15 years.
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I heard something about a writers strike ending. Gee, didn't know they were striking. Guess that shows how important they are.
The difference between them and the UAW is that the UAW strike doesn't impact just the car manufacturers, but all the little guys downstream that make the parts. Thats why it is brought to the forefront. It isn't like we only pitch when they strike, but many times even when they aren't. QC could be so much better if it weren't for Unions. Just look at all the US made foreign cars that have high quality and reliability and are all non union workers.
The difference between them and the UAW is that the UAW strike doesn't impact just the car manufacturers, but all the little guys downstream that make the parts. Thats why it is brought to the forefront. It isn't like we only pitch when they strike, but many times even when they aren't. QC could be so much better if it weren't for Unions. Just look at all the US made foreign cars that have high quality and reliability and are all non union workers.
Cargo Master
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On somewhat related topic, ford just ditched their battery/ev thing with China now that Congress is investigating.
so my huge issue with ford was they were bringing a ccp owned company to Ohio to partner with and make batteries. They tried to re-do the legal partnership but it’s still a ccp company operating on us soil. Now, hopefully it’s scrapped for good.
as a relating note, this was probably a non uaw facility.
so my huge issue with ford was they were bringing a ccp owned company to Ohio to partner with and make batteries. They tried to re-do the legal partnership but it’s still a ccp company operating on us soil. Now, hopefully it’s scrapped for good.
as a relating note, this was probably a non uaw facility.
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From: Wasilla, AK
Well, it is clearly always management. Same thing if a restaurant is failing down the street. Of course, consolidating workers to turn the organization into a persistent battleground that can go dark at any moment doesn't help.
As much as we're into vehicles here the States, you'd think there would be many manufacturers based in the country. I can't count how many choices I have when buying a 3d printer, it's unbelievable, granted most are made elsewhere, but that market is tiny in comparison to US auto markets. Why don't we see as many choices in the auto marketplace? There ought to be scores of auto manufacturers based here. There aren't because management has worked with the government to make itself one of the few choices US customers have. Which I think is really the inception of most of these organizational problems. If you can't go to work at one of the many other manufacturers in a flourishing marketplace, or roll your own, if you're stuck working at one of the approved manufacturers in a tightly controlled market instead, then union membership becomes more appealing.
As much as we're into vehicles here the States, you'd think there would be many manufacturers based in the country. I can't count how many choices I have when buying a 3d printer, it's unbelievable, granted most are made elsewhere, but that market is tiny in comparison to US auto markets. Why don't we see as many choices in the auto marketplace? There ought to be scores of auto manufacturers based here. There aren't because management has worked with the government to make itself one of the few choices US customers have. Which I think is really the inception of most of these organizational problems. If you can't go to work at one of the many other manufacturers in a flourishing marketplace, or roll your own, if you're stuck working at one of the approved manufacturers in a tightly controlled market instead, then union membership becomes more appealing.
Laughing Gas
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Ok, I do agree with you on many points, I'm far from extremist by any means.
Let's talk about politicians while not getting political. And I'm not talking about any particular Jokers.
Whether it be a mayor, governor, senator or president or any and all. It usually comes down to two that are the final choices. There is no way you or I are going to agree with them 100%. You may like 51% of one of the candidates, but he says he will raise your taxes, do away with something, the other one says your taxes are going to go down but what's something else you feel strongly about will change in a way you don't like.
EOD, you don't like either one, but you want to exercise your constitutional right? And vote for one of them.
Which one do you vote for, the one that makes You 51% happy or the one that makes 49% happy
It's the same way with unions, some are very good, others not much. This president of this union is being a hard ***, it could have been one that is more passive and realistic, and there may have not been a strike, therefore, this discussion won't be happening.
If there was no strike would we be having any of these conversations, would any of these hateful undertones come to light? Who here even thought about the union workers two months ago, 4 months ago, 6 months ago, a year ago? Exactly, no body. Now with the pending shutdowns, everybody's up in arms and concerned about it.
A week from now, month or whatever the strike will fade, and so will these conversations. We forget all of this. Those workers good or bad. Have to live and work and try and make a living.
Maybe some will get their wishes and Pedro or Sandra Dee will be building your next Ram, Chevy, or Ford for pennies on the dollar while CEO's get even money from all the profits they take in from you and I.
Nobody here has blamed management here for the debacle of the last couple of years with the super duty, nobody here is asking for accountability of them. They'd rather blame the front line workers.
I'm assuming many here are probably middle management, so it's a reflection, is that why?
Let's talk about politicians while not getting political. And I'm not talking about any particular Jokers.
Whether it be a mayor, governor, senator or president or any and all. It usually comes down to two that are the final choices. There is no way you or I are going to agree with them 100%. You may like 51% of one of the candidates, but he says he will raise your taxes, do away with something, the other one says your taxes are going to go down but what's something else you feel strongly about will change in a way you don't like.
EOD, you don't like either one, but you want to exercise your constitutional right? And vote for one of them.
Which one do you vote for, the one that makes You 51% happy or the one that makes 49% happy
It's the same way with unions, some are very good, others not much. This president of this union is being a hard ***, it could have been one that is more passive and realistic, and there may have not been a strike, therefore, this discussion won't be happening.
If there was no strike would we be having any of these conversations, would any of these hateful undertones come to light? Who here even thought about the union workers two months ago, 4 months ago, 6 months ago, a year ago? Exactly, no body. Now with the pending shutdowns, everybody's up in arms and concerned about it.
A week from now, month or whatever the strike will fade, and so will these conversations. We forget all of this. Those workers good or bad. Have to live and work and try and make a living.
Maybe some will get their wishes and Pedro or Sandra Dee will be building your next Ram, Chevy, or Ford for pennies on the dollar while CEO's get even money from all the profits they take in from you and I.
Nobody here has blamed management here for the debacle of the last couple of years with the super duty, nobody here is asking for accountability of them. They'd rather blame the front line workers.
I'm assuming many here are probably middle management, so it's a reflection, is that why?
I have a sister that is a teacher and brother-in-law that works for BNSF so I hear about the unions regularly. In the teaching world if you try to go non-union you are torn down and ostracized by your peers. Railroad seems to have no problem keeping the crappy managers and lazy folks around and penalizing the ones that want to work.
I started working a blue collar job with my dad long before I was legal to drive and up through college. I believe in people working hard and earning their own way.
Where I work now for a company in corporate America the management is very much a factor when there are issues. IMO most managers are a bunch of "yes" men/women that can talk in circles and keep their a** out of the fire somehow and rarely take accountability.
Still of the opinion unions have stuck around past their usefulness.
Mountain Pass
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According to Ford Authority today, an employee of a Michigan Ford dealership, posted a negative comment on the UAW strike over the weekend via FB...Well S.O.B., that employee was let go today
Even the union might blush a little bit about that, sure doesn't help their cause for the general public to rally behind their cause (1A and all)
Though the action was taken by a dealership, maybe if said employee worked for GM or Stellantis, he would likely still have a job, just saying
Even the union might blush a little bit about that, sure doesn't help their cause for the general public to rally behind their cause (1A and all)
Though the action was taken by a dealership, maybe if said employee worked for GM or Stellantis, he would likely still have a job, just saying
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On somewhat related topic, ford just ditched their battery/ev thing with China now that Congress is investigating.
so my huge issue with ford was they were bringing a ccp owned company to Ohio to partner with and make batteries. They tried to re-do the legal partnership but it’s still a ccp company operating on us soil. Now, hopefully it’s scrapped for good.
as a relating note, this was probably a non uaw facility.
so my huge issue with ford was they were bringing a ccp owned company to Ohio to partner with and make batteries. They tried to re-do the legal partnership but it’s still a ccp company operating on us soil. Now, hopefully it’s scrapped for good.
as a relating note, this was probably a non uaw facility.