We have machines for that where I work.

 

The $60.00 an hour that I referred to was stated by a union member on the picket line, NOT by the media as spoke to above.
You want to talk about missing holidays, birthdays, anniversary, etc. Try serving in the Military for 20 years, with no 401k, and all missed family events.
However thank a VET for the ability to wine and cry about everything.

 

completely unskilled. Carpenter union electric brotherhood elevator union…all skilled. When schooling or apprenticeship and ultimately licensing isnt involved its unskilled. By your definition a fast food worker is skilled. I’m an anti union plumbing contractor of 34 years. I’m skilled labor.

 

69% of Ford's workforce (globally) is Union.

 

The discipline and skill was doing that on the graveyard shift and not falling asleep.

 

And ??????

 

The sky is falling

 

You understood more of that clip than me. Dude sounds like Porky pig. Yabbba Ada daba that’s all folks.

 

No 401K but after 20 years you get a monthly check for the rest of your life.

 

There is a MASSIVE difference between SKILLED union, and the UAW this thread refers to. These union workers are on par with burger flippers. Ask them how the tool they are using works and you will 95% get a blank stare.

OTOH Skilled union workers went to school for at LEAST 6 months or more to learn their trade, which encompasses a whole lot more than inserting a few screws with a tool that does all the work. There is very little these days that require Union intervention and in fact, will lead to the loss of more jobs than any benefit by strikes.

They should be HAPPY to have a job with good benefits that the majority of people do not get.

 

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The core of all this hostilities is the cost of the vehicles and the workmanship.

If they only received 6% raise in the last 4 years, in the average price of a vehicles going up 30% since then, while inflation is risen faster than their pay rate. Somebody explained to me how a vehicle was up 30% while your labor only goes up 6%.

Yes, there's the cost of the material, and I'm sure that vendors labor is gone up yet. Nobody complains about that.

Transportation's going up, diesel went through the roof but yet nobody complains about that part of the supply chain

Raw material has seen increase, but yet nobody complains about that.

But what we do, do is take it out on the front line, the burger flippers get all the grief.

Apparently it's okay with everybody here if the CEOs and executive management are making bank. I don't recall seeing too many posts about that, let's just keep beating up the front line worker.

For those who are in a business or management know what your labor cost should be, 23-25% max?

What is Ford direct cost per vehicle excluding all the overhead that they've accumulated over the years? Anybody know that answer, because I believe that should be the foundation of your complaining.

What is a decent living wage say in the Northeast, southeast, Midwest?

This time last year I was making damn good money before I got injured. Still make good money. Don't get me wrong. In my line of work, if it was unionized I wouldn't make as much. I can easily do 5K a week.

I keep hearing they've made a quarter trillion dollars in the last 10 years, 21 billion in the last 6 months. That is the consumer overpaying and that's before dealerships.

Is it wrong to want a part of that?

Workmanship, I do seem to have rather good luck, either that or my expectations are low.

I personally owned over brand new 25 Fords since 99, have accepted. Probably another 500 in my fleets. Yes, some minor problems, but nothing like nowadays. So I will agree with you on that. I am picking up for new trucks within
​​next week, I've been afraid of the 23 model.

I can only blame the management, not holding people responsible. Yes, it's difficult to discipline. A union worker might get that but at some point enough right ups and they're gone.

Personally, I think Ford should get out of the retail business, remove half it's force and concentrate on the commercial/ industrial business. Build nothing higher I then a
​​​ XLT. I'll have less warranties, less cost. Lost complaining less customers.

It's better deal with one customer that has 500 trucks than it is to deal with 500 customers that have one.

I'm amazed by how many people buy Ford trucks that actually hate them or the company, actually kind of pathetic.

 

The core of people complaining about the unions is not directly about the price of the truck - it is why a group of mostly unskilled laborers should be paid almost $100,000 per year just because they band together and hold a company hostage.

Trying to deflect to CEO pay is silly - this is America and that isn't going to change. Get rid of the comp packages and the talent goes with it. Do you really think the $21 million CEO package is the issue? How about the 57,000 UAW employees who, if they accept Ford's latest contract offer, will make $98,000 per year? That is over $5.5 BILLION dollars, not including other company provided benefits.

I have degreed engineers who don't get paid $98,000 per year - and they have to keep up with new tech by taking continuing education classes throughout their career. They are very skilled and design life safety systems that millions of people worldwide depend upon every day. You know why they make what they make - because that is the fair market value for their skillset. Take away the UAW. Let Ford interview people who want to build trucks. At first the workers will get lowballed, the people who accept the work will not have the discipline or commitment to build good trucks. Managers will complain they need to pay more to attract quality workers. Eventually the ship will right itself - just like it has for Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, etc. Like it or not the poor quality of vehicles is directly tied to the workers putting them together. The UAW protects under-performers - period. If you know your job is on the line based upon the quality and quantity of your work output you will make sure you do what it takes to keep that job. If quality is good - customers become loyal. The Japanese figured it out a long time ago. How many people do you know that regret buying their Toyota because of quality issues?

As far as cost of living increases, if you are already a grossly overpaid UAW worker you will not garner much support from people who work in the free market. Cry me a river that you can't make ends meet at $38 per hour for installing tail lights in a climate controlled, ultra-clean factory floor. Do you think all of your neighbors earn that much for working in much worse conditions?

My Dad was a skilled union worker - and he told me that the unskilled workers give ALL union employees a bad reputation. Nowhere is that more apparent than in the UAW. There is a hell of a difference between installing hoods on a Super Duty and welding a boiler together for a powerplant.

If the UAW had a brain they would implement a skills based merit system - you know, like the ones the entire rest of the country uses. Hanging doors on F-150's requires 4 bolts. Do you REALLY believe that activity is worth $98,000 per year plus a pension package, great benefits, bonuses, etc.? There are plenty of skilled laborers that would love to earn that kind of money - but the market wouldn't support it.

I challenge anyone to read the Ford offer and then build a reasonable argument on how it is so unfair to the UAW workers:

https://www.at.ford.com/content/dam/...fer-statement/

 

OldDog... Your up!

 

If a UAW worked is on the assembly line, how long was the "training" they under took to learn how to do the task? A hour? day? A week?