I have started many comments to this thread and just stopped... having dealt with unions in numerous roles in some of my previous jobs, their time is over, has been for a while now. Yes, they did help the worker back then, and yes they have made advancements for future work forces, but now they consider themselves a protected class and demand, demand, demand as they've gotten used to living on bloated wages and treating the peasant non-union folk as lower class. There is always 10% that are slackers, union or non in almost every facet, learned that from a Drill Instructor many many moons ago, however in my experience, that number climbs in the unions more so. Why does the union send out memos of how to vote and whom to vote for? So the fat cats up top keep their happy little kingdoms and power, follow the money, as always.

All the unions do nowadays is drive up the cost of doing business for everyone, quality of work is taking a personal pride in what you do issue, and has nothing to do with being done by a union member or not.
You don't like your job or want more pay for what you do, prove it or go somewhere else, my belief is that if you strike, you should be fired, period. Pay and benefits should be performance based, not demand based, don't like it, go somewhere where you do.

My .02 cents, take it for what ya paid for it

 

How to resolve company high profits to fat cats is to have profit sharing with the employees. Spread the profits to everyone. If Ford could do it, since the contracts have expired, Dump them. hire everyone who will agree to drop the union at the negotiated pay hike, add profit sharing, keep the current benefits, and stay at your current tenure. All who don't agree, fire them. Instead of fat cat Union bosses, have community supervisors to take grievances and have a grievance committee with Ford bosses to take up the issues with.

 

If the companies lose money do the workers have to share that too?

 

How dare you bring this up...companies only make money.

 

I’d work at Ford’s KTP, non-union, for what they are making now. It’s not that far of a move for me (6hrs), and I’d get a nice bump in pay over what I’m at now.

 

An organization's goal, ultimately, is to prosper and grow. This includes unions and governments. They may start with a noble purpose, but it doesn't take long before people begin to prosper and the union becomes the goal, not whatever they were working towards. If I'm working at KTP and while doing my typical job of only tightening 3 out of 4 bolts on the bumper, and I spill my coffee. Do I have do wait for a union janitor to come to my location to clean it up, or can I clean it myself? I've heard that at some union factories, you can even clean up you own mess because there are union janitors who have that job and are likely over paid. Its that kind of stuff that tells you its not about the original goal anymore, its about growth of/or protecting the organization.

 

I'm just really happy that I've got a great truck and a fun car both built before quality hit the tank and prices went truly insane due to the covid shut-downs and strikes and I can sit back and watch this circus from the cheap seats.

 

Political content removed.

 

Our company has profit sharing. Gets dumped into our 401k accounts usually twice a year when we've made enough to justify it. I believe the last payment was $16 million, doled out by some metric of years served along with current salary range (same sort of way the bonuses are structured.) When we don't make enough money, nothing gets deposited, but nothing is removed either. Should I be angry and demand more because the company made a gross of 2.5 billion? They're in business to make money. If they keep making money, I keep having a job.

 

same. both driver's seats in our vehicles are beginning to tear but that's still cheaper to fix then a payment on a truck with zero QC.

 

I think I’m going to test the longevity of current ride. As someone who trades every 2-2.5 years and puts 50k a year on the clock it would be nice if they lasted. My 2022 is at 90k, upper oil pan leak and heated steering wheel ain’t worked in a year. But I do have a 150k warranty I plan to use, but man, most dealers service are just trash. The way they are ran I mean.

as far as longevity out of warranty I think my biggest concern is the dreaded cp4 boogeyman. Lol. I have what Ford thinks is a $90000 truck and I’m worried about driving it past warranty….lol

what a time. I will say at 100k my lariat seats start to get tired but these KR seats are holding up better, I don’t use seat covers and do construction so they see a lot of gravel dust. Maybe I’ll look into the cp4 disaster kit, that should at least limit my exposure. Be better than getting a new truck in this climate. Not happy with ford anyways over their involvement with the Chinese battery company. Now more uaw extortion.

I miss the days that all I had and needed was a 1993 Toyota 4x4 base model.

 

Damn OP’s soapbox crushed from beneath him when logic and facts were brought to the table against his appeal to the emotions.














Must’ve been union built.

 

Built in plants that have received awards for the highest quality/fewest repairs per 100 vehicles, no less. That it self speaks volumes on the quality of these plants that are building "American" vehicles outside of the continental US. It can easily be done here, we just have to get our priorities back in order.

 

kinda like they are enthusiastic and grateful for a job instead of expecting one as a right.
“the world needs ditch diggers” is absolutely true.(lol, I actually am a ditch digger). If we are to have elevated non skilled labor making an above average living, it has to be offset by manufacturing stuff in 2nd and 3rd world locations where people live in squalor and treated like slaves.

 

Uno, I just watched a John fetterman clip on the uaw. Maybe we got this whole uaw thing wrong. I had no idea there were so many yachts and jet skis involved.


counting other people’s money…the American way!