I support UAW. There are many unions I do not respect. I know of a few within manufacturing that have caused repeated issues. Big Steel producers all the way down to privately owned unionized shops. Even in retail.. REI is a good example of what happens when retards unionize. You get more protection and a louder voice for the retards.. companies get bitter and you get strategic retaliation defense and union busting..m this is a problem with a lot of small ball machine shops that support the larger operations but I most cases as long as the owners in small operations are making cash and running a shop efficiently they won't rock the boat..

Bottom line no union is perfect. UAW included.. auto makers can kick it up to Dearborn as far as I'm concerned though...

I personally sold all the wire rope fencing and my family closed the sale on the concrete being laid at Severstal next door to Dearborn Ford Plant. What I've realized is this stuff is much more complicated financially and politically compared to a dope unaware of specific circumstances.. lots of corruption in the manufacturing industry.. I can tell you that certain mills in the US have to be paid off by small businesses that go in and do outside labor that union employees are neither qualified for or capable of... as far as auto makers to they have only ever been a customer of our customers and what I do know is those are sweetheart contracts that come at a cost. Ford and others love to drag out payment and tell you to F off if you try to hold them to terms. Long lines of people are there to replace you..

From what I hear the EV plants are screwing workers hard.. I have no idea why or how and don't care but that's coming from a family member of mine who's traditionally very anti union due to all the garbage our family deals with in the industry dealing with laziness and anti company line antics...

What I do know is that some aging doofus watering it down to (unions are for lazy workers) is the equivalent of child playing operation and yelling that surgery is easy as long as you try hard. Otay Boomer... world and labor conditions and contract don't revolve around motivational posters and your specific life experience..

It's more complicated corrupt and unfortunately needed than most people want to admit. There is no one size fits all solution. Noone has the solution because there is no solution.. Unions are gate keepers preventative guardians and shake down artists all in the same breathe and still I feel after taking profits on jobs that required either direct or indirect bribery that they are better than the unmitigated alternative. Really the worst unions I've seen are small businesses where the employees hold production and progress hostage.. UAW isnt that..

​​​​I've seen unions that suck but the big boys would screw them over if they didn't exist and I've seen non union businesses in manufacturing absolutely flourish and outwork and outperform and even outpay and compensate down south in Alabama region.

Ideologically I don't have a horse in the race but I'm willing to support UAW fully. My 23 F450 Limited is getting built without a single deletion I can wait it the hell out... I'm getting the same truck the 24s are except those are getting items deleted stock and mine will be loaded and on a zero mileage engine.. truly I don't care like some of you do.. it's a personal work vehicle I'll run into the ground not an NFT or stock to trade and collect.. 24s are having items removed out of the gate for cost savings not the other way around.. with that said...

Ford GM Chrysler were never known for how they treat employees. Across the board theyl screw you once twice or zero times for everything they do right and it depends on economic conditions and a myriad of factors. That's why I support the union screwing back and leveraging the contract
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personally i despise unions. BUT, it’s the business of the company and workers and i dont want to regulate anything through legislation. Enough with legislation. The issue we are dealing with across the board is inevitable, corporation are huge and unions are huge..so much that they are affect government and society. Maybe thats what’s meant by democracies outgrow themselves eventually. The union doesnt just screw the company, they screw the consumer, equally as the the big corp does, so its not easy to not have an opinion on the subject…and i should add, big corporations are the main issue with democracy. Democracy is built on choice, big monopolized/political companies take choices away. Nothing you can do about. I think one of the most dangerous companies out there right now is ups. In most cases there is not a way to bypass them. FedEx can handle some but not enough. Railroads strike you can put more trucks on the road, not ideal but things can still move..and vise versa. But ups shuts down everything suffers as they’ve integrated into every industry and they are more than just transit, they are delivery based, so adding trucks dont fix that. And i think the “fat lazy” thing comes from the fact that they are more apt to pull the regulation book out where the go getters are more likely to buckle down and get’ r’ done when its needed. The fat/lazy/boomeresque would stop the line for that 10 minute break if need be, and also may hint to the younger to not work yourself out of a job.

 

No one forced any of these employees to get a UAW job. Obviously these people were looking forward to the wages and benefits and were happy as a clam when they were hired. Then once hired, all of a sudden the wages and benefits are no good and they want to disrupt the companies production. The same companies who were nice enough to hire them in the first place is now the enemy. These employees did not risk any capital in the company and don't have any skin in the game other to demand more.

I can understand asking for wages to keep pace with inflation. But anything more is just childish greed. The vast majority of these workers perform tasks any untrained person can learn. And most likely at least 98% of promotions are based on seniority and nothing else.

 

huh? capitalism has brought more people out of poverty then anything else. the problem is a government over stepping, or i should say long jumping over, its boundaries.

 

With FORD having to shut down the assembly line earlier this year due to quality control issues I’m shocked the UAW thinks the unskilled labor deserves a huge pay raise. It got me thinking about several recent FORD’S I have owned with all UAW unskilled labor issues & not FORD engineering issues.
Had a new F150 almost burst into flames leaving dealership. Masking paper left sitting on exhaust from spray in bed liner. What a Smokey mess!
Found out a new F350 was on a hold / do not sell list 1 day into ownership. Unskilled labor engine assembly error.
Replacement to above with unskilled labor transmission issues. Must of ordered the marbles in trans option.
Replacement to above has a unskilled labor installed dashboard that sounds like it wall fall in my lap.
New Expedition that unskilled labor unable to install leather seat covers & assemble center console.
And on & on….

If I was FORD I would charge back the UAW for all $$$ lost due to the unskilled labor work force. The UAW can pump out sloppy unskilled labor knowing the consumer & local dealers are stuck cleaning up the mess. If TESLA can put together a work force I’m sure FORD can also. Fire them all…. this crew isn’t working.

 

and unions are constantly lobbying for more regulation.
capitalism eventually smothers itself out it seems. Sometimes you just need a reset and that brings pain.

 

I'll be interested to see if this thread makes it to tomorrow.

 

Well speaking of interesting, t

Received an email on August 24th stating the four would go into production the following week.

September 5th got an email saying four were still in production

Two of them were delivered today. Didn't get to clear answer on the other two, and my 2 550s are still not scheduled

 

According to Yahoo, they will be striking at these plants. It makes no mention of Kentucky.

 

Not too hard of a blow with those crap vehicles.

Sure they will ratchet it up soon.

 

It sounds like limiting the strike initially to those few plants is a strategic move that could change....."Striking one or two plants at each automaker would allow the union to escalate the work stoppage to more sites if needed to ratchet up the pressure on the companies, Fain said during the call." Source-https://www.wdrb.com/news/business/uaw-to-limit-potential-strike-to-targeted-plants-union-president-tells-colleagues/article_e310a0ea-51da-11ee-ac96-e34fb875c56e.html

 

That’s precisely the point. Start with something big that will make waves but still leave them room to expand if necessary. Starting smaller also lets the strike fund last longer

 

People wonder why American auto companies willingly invest so heavily in robotics. Pretty easy to see.

My sister-in-law works for Honda in Marysville, OH. She's been there since 1984. She made a great living there as an assembly line worker. She took all kinds of training when offered and she eventually moved up into production line management. The UAW has come into that plant dozens of times to campaign for membership benefits. The workers there are smart enough to realize their working conditions are already good and their pay is commensurate with other manufacturers so they remain non-union. She has the ability to hire and fire people based on their skills and work ethic. Lazy workers don't last because there are plenty of others who want a good paying job. The company has a generous 401K plan and offers good medical benefits because they have to so they can attract quality workers. The workers have to produce to keep the company solvent. It is a mutually beneficial relationship.

The UAW (and unions in general) served a valuable purpose years ago. The problem is now, much like in our Congress, we have too many uninformed people making decisions about things they have no expertise in. For example - the benefit packages the UAW saddles motor companies with are ridiculous. Funding them requires BILLIONS of dollars each year. The model is not economically sustainable yet ignorance allows it to grow and continue. The father of a good friend of mine worked for GM for 35 years or so. He passed away in 1991. As part of his retirement pension my friend's Mom received a new GM car (Buick) every three years, until she passed in 2020. BTW - throw in medical coverage for life as well into that pension package. That is plain out blackmail and is exactly why we pay $90,000 for a $45,000 truck today.

 

I think the reason the democrats support unions is it’s the closest thing we can get to socialism.

 

I'd love to have a 42% wage increase over the coming four years. Even if it's 36% as the last numbers indicated and with all the benefits, best of luck. I'm for fair wages and certainly inflation protection but the irony is if every single job had inflation rates built into it, it would literally push inflation up. Labor is one of the most expensive components of everything and you pay for it through increased prices of what you sell. It's not difficult to draw this out. Would be great if the oil industry could subsidize the auto markers :-) After all, over thirteen quarters in a row of RECORD profits and no one blinks. Can't wait for the political blame game to start next.