CP4 Implosion!!! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!
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Laughing Gas
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Agreed and definitely not my intentions. I apologize for my comments about the other moderator yesterday. My frustrations are high and amplified by my disappointment in Ford Corporate.
I will update when I get more news from my dealership next week. I will end up trading my truck in the next 6 to 8 months. The question is for what.... 🫤 My unwavering faith in Ford is shaken.
I will update when I get more news from my dealership next week. I will end up trading my truck in the next 6 to 8 months. The question is for what.... 🫤 My unwavering faith in Ford is shaken.
Hotshot
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Going by the numbers, sure, a F150 would tow my skid steer (‘bout 12k with trailer)…but a SD handles the weight sooooooo much better.
Heck, I had a 2016 Ram dually diesel before my current truck, and I didn’t even own my skid steer then. I just hauled a junk truck here and there. I bought it because I wanted it.
Laughing Gas
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The Ford forum rep doesn't do anything directly except connect you with a Ford customer service rep who opens a case for you.
My point was that they have been jumping on numerous other truck issues that have been posted, EXCEPT for the CP4 failures.
They hooked me up when I had a transmission issue, and I ultimately got a 200K Diesel care warranty out of the deal(which would actually cover the CP4 issue if Ford had the parts available), and that may have been due to the attention brought by the forum rep on this forum, doing something for customer good will.
May have happened anyway, may not have.
My point was that they have been jumping on numerous other truck issues that have been posted, EXCEPT for the CP4 failures.
They hooked me up when I had a transmission issue, and I ultimately got a 200K Diesel care warranty out of the deal(which would actually cover the CP4 issue if Ford had the parts available), and that may have been due to the attention brought by the forum rep on this forum, doing something for customer good will.
May have happened anyway, may not have.
I got your point about the CP4. Could be an outside chance Ford is priming themselves for another class action. Can't go bringing light to failures, if you have to defend yourself in court.
More than likely, it's like some said. The payback is not worth the upgrade. How many outside of this board would know a CP4, even if it dropped on their head.
I queried 3 or 4 owners (I know) on their 6.7's before I got mine. None even mentioned possible pump issues, and none had a failure either (3 out of 4 had zero diesel/emission issues so far,
oldest being 2016 I think).
Is the supposed CP4 issue slowing down sales, doesn't seem like it.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Nov 2019
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From: North Carolina
Agreed and definitely not my intentions. I apologize for my comments about the other moderator yesterday. My frustrations are high and amplified by my disappointment in Ford Corporate.
I will update when I get more news from my dealership next week. I will end up trading my truck in the next 6 to 8 months. The question is for what.... 🫤 My unwavering faith in Ford is shaken.
I will update when I get more news from my dealership next week. I will end up trading my truck in the next 6 to 8 months. The question is for what.... 🫤 My unwavering faith in Ford is shaken.
laurel GMC is a good dealer, haven't found another invoice dealer.
or mark dodge in Louisiana is good, the do like 15k off sticker if you order a new ram. Just be sure to get the aisin trans!
Logistics Pro
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90% of truck buyers don't know much about what is under their hood, along with 95% of the salespeople.
I bet you if you asked the average SD buyer if their PSD is a OHC or OHV, they will tell you it's a diesel.
I bet you if you asked the average SD buyer if their PSD is a OHC or OHV, they will tell you it's a diesel.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: North Carolina
Re upper oil pan gasket, here’s a video of a repair removing the trans & doing the repair from underneath the truck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00CW80s05I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00CW80s05I
2020+ 6.7L (or 3rd gen), requires removal of cab, and trans, and removal of motor completely off the frame. No way whatsoever around it. I know, my truck is going through it right now as we speak. 5 day solid repair (over 40hrs).
only other way is rip the coolers out the front, and hoist the motor out of the truck, mechanics say it would take 5hrs longer that way.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: North Carolina
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Hotshot
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From: SW VA
that is correct for 11-19!
2020+ 6.7L (or 3rd gen), requires removal of cab, and trans, and removal of motor completely off the frame. No way whatsoever around it. I know, my truck is going through it right now as we speak. 5 day solid repair (over 40hrs).
only other way is rip the coolers out the front, and hoist the motor out of the truck, mechanics say it would take 5hrs longer that way.
2020+ 6.7L (or 3rd gen), requires removal of cab, and trans, and removal of motor completely off the frame. No way whatsoever around it. I know, my truck is going through it right now as we speak. 5 day solid repair (over 40hrs).
only other way is rip the coolers out the front, and hoist the motor out of the truck, mechanics say it would take 5hrs longer that way.
They unfortunately always came wrapped in a Dodge or Fiat.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: North Carolina
actually for oil pans, etc. The gmc is easier to work on, becuase of its independent suspension. Ram you don't have to pull motor out but have to raise it 3-4 inches. Either way both better then ford. Becuase they are all going to leak as all diesels do, just a matter of when, and that's when the warranty expires.
More Turbo
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On the DPK. I don't know if it will help, but instead of a 100% chance of paying 12k I might get a 80% chance or whatever of only needing to replace a pump and some lines. That will be good enough for me.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: North Carolina
Don't blame you one bit. Ford can boast best in class blah blah blah, but it doesn't do a damn bit of good when it's in the shop. This other noise about other manufacturers having problems - it's nothing as major or widespread as this. Also, the other comments about people not knowing about the CP4 so it's not impacting sales - I know 4 people in the last few months that didn't buy a Ford diesel because of the CP4 and how Ford has handled the warranty situation. That is edging up on a half mil in lost sales.
that's what blows my mind about the cp4 disaster kit, you still have the oil leaks to fix that cost as much as the cp4. (I know not related), but between the two. Close to 20k in repairs. Oil leak will 100% happen with time, cp4 maybe. Best bet is to drive and forget, and not look underneath!
More Turbo
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This doesn’t hold much clout these days. These big corporations will certainly err on the side of bottom dollar profits vs. a more robust design of X part. If they save $10M using the CP4 (for example) but project warranty claims of $6M, you’re dang right they’re going to keep using it, because they see a $4M return without having to spend another dime on a replacement.
Even little things. Hell, how much R&D did Cummins put into the 5.9? Yet go Google “killer dowel pin”.
Even little things. Hell, how much R&D did Cummins put into the 5.9? Yet go Google “killer dowel pin”.
Laughing Gas
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And hence another reason Ford will keep using the same pump.