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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
Have you all noticed that @Ford Motor Company forum rep has not touched a single one of these recent CP4 failure threads, has not reached out to any of us owners offering to help???
You think maybe that is by directive from Ford corporate???
Has anyone truly gotten any real help after they did? (directly from the rep on the board?)
Seemed many said they contacted rep that offered help, and got either window washing or no reply at all.
(not just this board, many other Ford boards I'm on).

I've never bothered, as I can talk to the dealer myself, until it can't be resolved with them. And at that point, Ford says it's the dealer,
we have nothing to do with it/we can't do anything.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Kameron Rice
no doubt a bad design. My point is their isn't a good fix. Just got to run it till it blows and fix. Likely good off it happening to yours is very low. Is be more concerned about upper pan leaks on these 2020+ trucks costing us 10k plus at dealers or 6k at private shops. That is something that will happen to all of us!


Trust me, i have been blasting ford for the last month about the cheap *** pathetic upper pan design making the cab and motor removal to do the seal change!
not many paid attention to that forum, as they didn't understand it. Probably 8/10 of you will wxperiwnce the expensive upper pan leak way before the cp4 and upper pan costs similar to the cp4 to change.
At what mileage/time is it most common?
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by OX2
Has anyone truly gotten any real help after they did? (directly from the rep on the board?)
Seemed many said they contacted rep that offered help, and got either window washing or no reply at all.
(not just this board, many other Ford boards I'm on).

I've never bothered, as I can talk to the dealer myself, until it can't be resolved with them. And at that point, Ford says it's the dealer,
we have nothing to do with it/we can't do anything.
The Ford forum rep doesn't do anything directly except connect you with a Ford customer service rep who opens a case for you.
My point was that they have been jumping on numerous other truck issues that have been posted, EXCEPT for the CP4 failures.

They hooked me up when I had a transmission issue, and I ultimately got a 200K Diesel care warranty out of the deal(which would actually cover the CP4 issue if Ford had the parts available), and that may have been due to the attention brought by the forum rep on this forum, doing something for customer good will.
May have happened anyway, may not have.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 12:35 PM
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RidgwaySD
The warranty only helps with one issue, the cost of the repair itself. Currently there are larger issues with the parts supply and finding a service dept with the time to do the work in an expeditious fashion. Warranty for the cost would be the least of my concerns with a truck about to be laid up for months or even just weeks. Lost time can easily add up way beyond the cost of the repair. Being hamstrung by a warranty often works against you.
It’s true downtime sucks. But I use mine for business where we would likely always have some sort of temporary/backup truck. We’ve been in business long enough to know that regardless of a gas or diesel truck, if you don’t have a plan B you’re a fool and it’ll bite you in the ***.

While it would still be a major inconvenience to have the truck down for weeks at a time, it’s nice knowing the warranty is there to protect the cost of needed.

Some guys who run solo businesses where that one single truck is their only way to operate then yes I sympathize with that. Not a position I would want to see anyone in regardless of their choice in truck.

There are ways to spend a couple thousand extra and get the power of the diesel while protecting parts failure costs up front. In my mind they make sense because they can let you focus on your business rather than being paranoid like people get on Internet forums. Having warranties and supplementing with aftermarket solutions can go a long way.

it would be nice if they made a flawless diesel truck but no one does and that’s where some extra thought and planning can improve your odds of the complete failures we see sometimes.

And before anyone starts playing the “too expensive” card. I get it these modern diesels are expensive. But really, so are the gasser versions. Most of the guys driving gassers have thousands of wasted dollars spent on options they don’t need themselves which could also lead to increased maintenance and repair down the road. Wait until they start paying the price for all the cheap electronic crap on all new vehicles. It’ll add up in the thousands as well as the vehicle ages. And all for what? Some options they didn’t “need”. The truth is keeping a hard worked truck for many years and for many miles will never be without some cost.

hell, not all (but a lot) of guys running 6.2 & 7.3 gassers could be using stripped down half tons. But instead they’ve “wasted” tens of thousands of dollars on a super duty. So who are they to pretend it’s crazy to spend unnecessary money?

it’s interesting how polarizing the word diesel is to guys running gas trucks. I mean you’d figure they wouldn’t care the moment they decided not to run a diesel and they’d move on from it and not pay any mind to it.

End of the day most of us are not privileged guys who graduated top of our medical school class. Just people who took some opportunities and worked hard to start businesses to make some money and support our loved ones. I hope everyone else (which seems to be a lot of folks on this forum) who has done something similar and uses their truck to make money can continue to do so with gassers or diesels. So let’s quick bickering and wishing failure on each other over something as dumb as fuel type. Getting a secret sense of satisfaction in another man’s failure or pain is the ultimate sign of a miserable lonely person….and almost every fuel thread turns into that where guys are trying to validate their decision.

 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by okie981
I contacted S&S directly on 18 August via their website contact form. The DCR won't be available for 2020+ trucks for at least another 3 months, per below.

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Message Body:

Do you make a DCR pump conversion kit for 2020+ 6.7L PowerStroke engines?
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This e-mail was sent from a contact form on S&S Diesel Motorsport (https://ssdiesel.com)

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Good afternoon,

Thank you for reaching out to us.

Our revision of our DCR kit to support 2020+ models is roughly 3 months out.

Please let us know if you have any other questions.

Thank you,

Che Brotzman
Technical Sales Representative

S&S Diesel Motorsport
SSdiesel.com | @SSfueled | #SSfueled

I had seen your email response from S&S previously. The screen shot I provided was to clarify the reason for the delay, not when. As you can see in the screen shot comment, they also said it takes months, like in your email.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 01:00 PM
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It’s true downtime sucks. But I use mine for business where we would likely always have some sort of temporary/backup truck. We’ve been in business long enough to know that regardless of a gas or diesel truck, if you don’t have a plan B you’re a fool and it’ll bite you in the ***.

While it would still be a major inconvenience to have the truck down for weeks at a time, it’s nice knowing the warranty is there to protect the cost of needed.

Some guys who run solo businesses where that one single truck is their only way to operate then yes I sympathize with that. Not a position I would want to see anyone in regardless of their choice in truck.

There are ways to spend a couple thousand extra and get the power of the diesel while protecting parts failure costs up front. In my mind they make sense because they can let you focus on your business rather than being paranoid like people get on Internet forums. Having warranties and supplementing with aftermarket solutions can go a long way.

it would be nice if they made a flawless diesel truck but no one does and that’s where some extra thought and planning can improve your odds of the complete failures we see sometimes.

And before anyone starts playing the “too expensive” card. I get it these modern diesels are expensive. But really, so are the gasser versions. Most of the guys driving gassers have thousands of wasted dollars spent on options they don’t need themselves which could also lead to increased maintenance and repair down the road. Wait until they start paying the price for all the cheap electronic crap on all new vehicles. It’ll add up in the thousands as well as the vehicle ages. And all for what? Some options they didn’t “need”. The truth is keeping a hard worked truck for many years and for many miles will never be without some cost.

hell, not all (but a lot) of guys running 6.2 & 7.3 gassers could be using stripped down half tons. But instead they’ve “wasted” tens of thousands of dollars on a super duty. So who are they to pretend it’s crazy to spend unnecessary money?

it’s interesting how polarizing the word diesel is to guys running gas trucks. I mean you’d figure they wouldn’t care the moment they decided not to run a diesel and they’d move on from it and not pay any mind to it.

End of the day most of us are not privileged guys who graduated top of our medical school class. Just people who took some opportunities and worked hard to start businesses to make some money and support our loved ones. I hope everyone else (which seems to be a lot of folks on this forum) who has done something similar and uses their truck to make money can continue to do so with gassers or diesels. So let’s quick bickering and wishing failure on each other over something as dumb as fuel type. Getting a secret sense of satisfaction in another man’s failure or pain is the ultimate sign of a miserable lonely person….and almost every fuel thread turns into that where guys are trying to validate their decision.
Thanks for getting WAY OFF THE RESERVATION with that response... I see just as many diesel guys justifying as I do gas. I see diesel guys misconstrue gas guys as somehow jealous more often than I see jealous gas guys. There is likely only a very small handful of people buying a new super duty that could not have bought the diesel if that is what they wanted or needed. You might want to consider responses like the above as part of the problem....

Not everybody runs their business with these trucks, in fact I bet most have one truck and they need to be able to count on it. I have never been a warranty fan. Only twice in over 100 vehicles have I ever been happy I bought an extended warranty. I was young and poor and needed the security. Today I am much more resourceful and I do not waste my money on extended warranties. Of course, I do not have an overly complex luxury truck to begin with. Not because I couldn't but because experience has taught me why I wouldn't.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RidgwaySD
Thanks for getting WAY OFF THE RESERVATION with that response... I see just as many diesel guys justifying as I do gas. I see diesel guys misconstrue gas guys as somehow jealous more often than I see jealous gas guys. There is likely only a very small handful of people buying a new super duty that could not have bought the diesel if that is what they wanted or needed. You might want to consider responses like the above as part of the problem....

Not everybody runs their business with these trucks, in fact I bet most have one truck and they need to be able to count on it. I have never been a warranty fan. Only twice in over 100 vehicles have I ever been happy I bought an extended warranty. I was young and poor and needed the security. Today I am much more resourceful and I do not waste my money on extended warranties. Of course, I do not have an overly complex luxury truck to begin with. Not because I couldn't but because experience has taught me why I wouldn't.
It’s in fact not way off the reservation as you like to say.

it’s pretty much on point for how fuel threads go. Lots of great info on this forum but you can guarantee this topic will lead to a pointless thread with each side wanting to see the other fail

also try reading comprehension. I didn’t say you personally have more truck than you need, but many people do. The vast majority of people tow less than their trucks rated for and have options they never needed on that very same truck.

yet there they all are telling the other guy he wasted his money just the same
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 01:20 PM
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It’s in fact not way off the reservation as you like to say.

it’s pretty much on point for how fuel threads go. Lots of great info on this forum but you can guarantee this topic will lead to a pointless thread with each side wanting to see the other fail

also try reading comprehension. I didn’t say you personally have more truck than you need, but many people do. The vast majority of people tow less than their trucks rated for and have options they never needed on that very same truck.

yet there they all are telling the other guy he wasted his money just the same
So you think you can "fix" people....LOL Best of Luck

MY reading and comprehension? Show me where I said ANYTHING about people buying more than they need. That is the hill YOU seem to want to die on...
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by RidgwaySD
So you think you can "fix" people....LOL Best of Luck

MY reading and comprehension? Show me where I said ANYTHING about people buying more than they need. That is the hill YOU seem to want to die on...
of course I’m not fixing people. Have you seen how polarizing just about any topic is now a days? You can’t have a civil conversation especially when you’re talking about over the internet…..where people will say **** they would never say to another persons face. So there’s no attempt to fix.

just pointing out the irony of almost anyone on this site telling someone they spent more than they needed to on a truck and how pathetic it is to wish for another persons failure.

but I suppose let’s get back to our regularly scheduled programming here so more people can make asses of themselves. I’ll get my popcorn.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 01:42 PM
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of course I’m not fixing people. Have you seen how polarizing just about any topic is now a days? You can’t have a civil conversation especially when you’re talking about over the internet…..where people will say **** they would never say to another persons face. So there’s no attempt to fix.

just pointing out the irony of almost anyone on this site telling someone they spent more than they needed to on a truck and how pathetic it is to wish for another persons failure.

but I suppose let’s get back to our regularly scheduled programming here so more people can make asses of themselves. I’ll get my popcorn.
Personally I think it sucks when anybody's truck breaks down. My friend has spent the last two weeks trying to replace the engine in his 2015 F250 because it failed on him.

The gas/diesel thing is entertaining for sure. When my gas truck lost a spark plug wire I drove my sons diesel truck to get the part I needed. I called him up and let him know I needed the diesel to rescue the gas... We had a good laugh over it. I agree, it is a shame some people want to make unsubstantiated claims about one or the other and you are correct, the worst is hoping to see another fail. Most of that might be limited to the exchange between you and one other member though...
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 01:51 PM
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Gentlemen...

Let us not forget that this thread, begun by @gascan to share his unfortunate predicament, is about CP4 implosions... not about character assassinations.

If any entity is to be in the crosshairs of this discussion, a reasonable target might be the supplier of the part that imploded, or the OEM manufacturer that decided to use the part.

Let's leave each other out of our crosshairs, to avoid getting into each other's hair, making a hairy mess of a thread that should remain active and open for all to learn from the anecdotal experience of the OP.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
 
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Old Aug 20, 2023 | 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Y2KW57
Gentlemen...

Let us not forget that this thread, begun by @gascan to share his unfortunate predicament, is about CP4 implosions... not about character assassinations.

If any entity is to be in the crosshairs of this discussion, a reasonable target might be the supplier of the part that imploded, or the OEM manufacturer that decided to use the part.

Let's leave each other out of our crosshairs, to avoid getting into each other's hair, making a hairy mess of a thread that should remain active and open for all to learn from the anecdotal experience of the OP.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
was about to say....it's getting spicy in here
 
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no doubt a bad design. My point is their isn't a good fix. Just got to run it till it blows and fix. Likely good off it happening to yours is very low. Is be more concerned about upper pan leaks on these 2020+ trucks costing us 10k plus at dealers or 6k at private shops. That is something that will happen to all of us!


Trust me, i have been blasting ford for the last month about the cheap *** pathetic upper pan design making the cab and motor removal to do the seal change!
not many paid attention to that forum, as they didn't understand it. Probably 8/10 of you will wxperiwnce the expensive upper pan leak way before the cp4 and upper pan costs similar to the cp4 to change.
Re upper oil pan gasket, here’s a video of a repair removing the trans & doing the repair from underneath the truck.

 
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Originally Posted by bent-1
Re upper oil pan gasket, here’s a video of a repair removing the trans & doing the repair from underneath the truck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d00CW80s05I
right but if the video shows a 2017 I think Mr. Rice is saying something changed between that year and the current Super Duty.
 
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