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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by redfart
Does this filter the HPFP discharge to the fuel rails? If not, what stops shrapnel from exiting the HPFP discharge to the fuel rails and injectors?
the DPK spits the fuel flow into two…one for the injectors…one for the cp4 bearings.

once fuel lubes the cp4 bearings…the fuel passes thru a return filter…then the fuel goes back to the tank…where it is filtered by the two stock filters before returning to the engine.


the oem model has fuel going to the cp4, then from the cp4, the fuel goes to the injectors…any metal wear from the cp4 will carry particles to the injectors in the oem model.

 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by redfart
Does this filter the HPFP discharge to the fuel rails? If not, what stops shrapnel from exiting the HPFP discharge to the fuel rails and injectors?
Judge for yourself.

 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by redfart
Does this filter the HPFP discharge to the fuel rails? If not, what stops shrapnel from exiting the HPFP discharge to the fuel rails and injectors?
It doesn’t. The only thing that can save your injectors from a component from that side of the pump failing is an upgraded MPROP from Exergy. The other kits only protect from pump crankcase component failures.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 01:09 PM
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The more I read about S&S the more I think the DCR pump is the key to bulletproofing the fuel system on a 6.7

theyve had decades of engineering for major OE’s including Cummins. Have some of the best fuel component research labs and engineers.

Once I get remotely close to warranty expiration I think the DCR is the key to bulletproofing the fuel systems on 6.7s

would eliminate it’s Achilles heel without losing the amazing performance that comes along with the PSD engine option…….

hmm…..
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Rwhjr
The more I read about S&S the more I think the DCR pump is the key to bulletproofing the fuel system on a 6.7

theyve had decades of engineering for major OE’s including Cummins. Have some of the best fuel component research labs and engineers.

Once I get remotely close to warranty expiration I think the DCR is the key to bulletproofing the fuel systems on 6.7s

would eliminate it’s Achilles heel without losing the amazing performance that comes along with the PSD engine option…….

hmm…..
I’m thinking along the same lines. A Stanadyne DCR is almost bulletproof. I’ll make the decision once I hit 90k.

I’m also looking into replacing the water separator and upper fuel filters with the H&S Motorsports Cat/Baldwin conversion kit. That allows the use of semi-truck style spin on filters for the upper and lower.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by redford
I’m thinking along the same lines. A Stanadyne DCR is almost bulletproof. I’ll make the decision once I hit 90k.

I’m also looking into replacing the water separator and upper fuel filters with the H&S Motorsports Cat/Baldwin conversion kit. That allows the use of semi-truck style spin on filters for the upper and lower.
I hear you.

I don’t want to lose the performance of the PSD by going with a gasser…..and I think if you time the swap appropriately you can eliminate some of the weak points pretty easily to not leave yourself with an out of warranty cp4.

In short….I think if you have a current cp4 failure or you get up in mileage with an expiring warranty then the DCR makes complete sense for a couple thousand.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 09FX-4
If only you could buy a kit to protect the rest of the fuel system

yes

what would we call such a kit…maybe a disaster prevvention kit?






 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Strider250
Between this one and @Ltngdrvr's failure I think that I will plan on when my 2023 warranty is about up that I will swap out the CP4 for a DCR pump, it is cheaper that an extended warranty.
To my knowledge the new Stanadyne DCR pump was only released for the pre-2020 6.7. Has that changed? I'd love for them to release for 2020+ as well. Not sure what tweaks are needed for the 2020+.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KeystoneF350
To my knowledge the new Stanadyne DCR pump was only released for the pre-2020 6.7. Has that changed? I'd love for them to release for 2020+ as well. Not sure what tweaks are needed for the 2020+.
I believe they’re releasing the newer pump shortly

youd have to ask them what changes were made they put a lot of engineering into them and I’m sure they’d explain to you
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 04:07 PM
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I had read that they say the existing DCR pump will work 2011-current, so I'm not sure what the hold up is...maybe the different fuel line set-up?
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 05:08 PM
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2020+ 6.7 PowerStroke uses higher fuel pressure than 2019 and earlier, so may be they are working on it to match the increased pressure.
IIRC the 2020+ runs 36,000 psi, and 2019 is 30,000 psi.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
2020+ 6.7 PowerStroke uses higher fuel pressure than 2019 and earlier, so may be they are working on it to match the increased pressure.
IIRC the 2020+ runs 36,000 psi, and 2019 is 30,000 psi.
you need sometjing sooner than S&s will have the new pump ready but would it have been something you considered?
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rwhjr
you need sometjing sooner than S&s will have the new pump ready but would it have been something you considered?
No, I would have to pay out of pocket for it, warranty wouldn't cover it because it is not oem parts or equivalent.
 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
No, I would have to pay out of pocket for it, warranty wouldn't cover it because it is not oem parts or equivalent.
ah nevermind…so you’re under warranty that makes sense

i feel like I would be half tempted to have them do the replacement so you get the whole new fuel system but then still swap the pump on my own after going thru a cp4 failure

then you’d have all new stuff and nice pump in the DCR while the most expensive portion and labor was still covered by ford.

 
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Old Aug 19, 2023 | 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Ltngdrvr
2020+ 6.7 PowerStroke uses higher fuel pressure than 2019 and earlier, so may be they are working on it to match the increased pressure.
IIRC the 2020+ runs 36,000 psi, and 2019 is 30,000 psi.
I'm pretty sure they have said that the same pump works 11 and up.

The screen shots bellow are from one of their YouTube videos, in response to the kit not being available for 2020+.




 
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