Lol, useless in the places I've wheeled.

 

I'm sorry, but... IMHO, if not for the Ford oval, this grill center area looks like it's straight out of the J.C.Whitney catalog...a cheap replacement that you'd put on an older truck after an unplanned meeting with a whitetail.

 

Mostly for hunting. I do have a slide in camper, boat and a car trailer which is why I have always had 3/4 ton trucks. Even when I was in high school I drove a 4wd 3/4 ton. Jeeps a great but can’t carry a camper. My 2016 f250 works fine for me most of the time. But I have gotten it stuck a few times and think a little bigger tires and a front locker may have prevented me from getting stuck. I really don’t go off road . I spend a lot of time on the dirt forest roads in northern Wisconsin.

There was talk a while back of ford coming out with a timberline package. Some had thought that ford might come out with something to compete with the power wagon. Which is why I asked if anyone on here has heard anything about an upgraded off road package for 2020. I would get a power wagon but they are made in Mexico, and the load capacity is low for a 3/4 ton.

 

put airbags on if your consistently going over 10k. the 10k limit is simply because the soft springs. 90% of the wagon running gear is the same as you find on the cummins 2500. obviously the transmission is different and the right side tube going into the front pumpkin is 3.5" instead of 3.8. joints, knuckles, shafts are all the same. nothing personal to you but most people are clueless about the powerwagon fine details

 

Hmm. This should be interesting. I predicted early on that this would be a $3k-$4k upcharge, but I am basing that on being a true alternative to a diesel for RV towing. Although it is subject to very much debate, I don' believe the 6.2l is a good alternative for any big towing (haters join in three, two, one). If this ends up being a popular alt, for fivers and people in the 8-10k range conventional like me who are driving a diesel, than I would be very hard pressed to believe Ford is going to sell it for basically the same price as LED headlights...

 

I thought the same.

 

I thought it had an aftermarket look too.

 

 

Not sure how I feel about the grills yet but I do think the lights and front bumper are an improvement. Not a fan of the 450 grill, looks like the "billet" grills, never was a fan of those.

 

The best looking grille is on the Limited.
I am no fan of the rest.

 

It screams "CHEVY"

Ford introduced the square bracket frontend [ ] look several years ago, then enforced it with the LED lights on higher-trim models 2017+.
Now they're abandoning that to look more like a Chevy? Who is running product marketing at Ford? Consistency is a mainstay of branding.
They're dropping the ball.

 

Ford is trying to improve airflow, two big bars across the grill maybe ain’t so good huh? not to mention those bars dates later models. 2020 offers little bit old but straight airflow to the air cleaner and radiator.

 

It screams chevy????






Is it Crack or Alcohol you are on right now?

 

I don't think it screams Chevy, while I understand your thinking, but not at the scream level...I would say BUSY...more crossbars than needed to show a new grille, 4 maybe 5 would be better...

 

Ford IS being consistent... carrying over and maintaining the Super Duty grille design DNA from the last 20 years, when the side "nostrils" made their debut in 1998 for the 99 model year.

These side nostrils continued in the 2005-2007 grill refresh, and further carried over in the 2008-2010 front clip refresh, and the nostrils yet carried over again in 2011 through 2016, this time symbolized by the C clamps.

That is why the C clamps came to be... as a consistent carryover nod to the nostrils that were deleted in the 2011 redesign with the wide flat double horizontal bars aiming to capture the "Super Chief" prototype face.

Ford has been very consistent in the descendency of earlier design DNA, even as Ford reaches forward to capture the emotions and imaginations of younger buyers.

I'll agree that the 17-19 XLT and late availability Limited grilles both looked better than the Lariat and Platinum grilles... and one of the reasons is due to the open nostrils that the XLT and Limited grills had, that the 17-19 Lariat and Platinum grilles lacked. So your point about consistency in brand identification is important.

And Ford is doing exactly that with this new 2020 grille, this time more prominently carrying over the nostrils, bring back the central angular dip, and carrying over the newer design language of the c clamps that caught on so well, by maintaining that shape in the lights.

For all the faults I can find in Fords, it is difficult to find fault with the folks at Ford who carve out the truck brands image in the exterior of the truck. I hope they are well compensated for their efforts, because they seem to be pretty good at what they do.

Now if they'll just have those folks turn their attention to inside the cab. And get rid of that rental car door dinger while they're at it. And put a 14.1" flat panel in the center stack. That's what I'm tawkin bout...