2020 revealed!
Fleet Mechanic
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Ford re-using the 7.3L displacement has already begun to frustrate search results for the 7.3L diesel.
Google has a way of prioritizing current and future commercial products for sale, by the largest corporate players who pay for <acronym title="Search Engine Optimization">SEO</acronym>. Now the first page search results for Ford 7.3L are dominated by gas engine pundits, press releases, and power prognostications. If Ford wanted to bury the memory of its former 30 year marriage with International, then Ford calling its biggest, baddest, newest gas engine for Super Duty pick ups a 7.3L certainly did the trick.
Google has a way of prioritizing current and future commercial products for sale, by the largest corporate players who pay for <acronym title="Search Engine Optimization">SEO</acronym>. Now the first page search results for Ford 7.3L are dominated by gas engine pundits, press releases, and power prognostications. If Ford wanted to bury the memory of its former 30 year marriage with International, then Ford calling its biggest, baddest, newest gas engine for Super Duty pick ups a 7.3L certainly did the trick.
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Ordered my 2011, promised wife it was my last truck
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Fleet Mechanic
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I do the same thing but blame it on the income tax savings issue. Lol
Mountain Pass
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I owned a 10 Speed in my F150. Absolutely hated it. Banging shifts, clunky, never again till they work out all the bugs. Gears 7, 8, 9 and 10 were all overdrive so not sure how much gears 1-6 will improve drivability as they will basically be the same as they are now. It should shine when the truck is empty or not towing for fuel economy. But don’t forget, the truck is still a flying brick and aerodynamics is just as important as anything else.
One of the main reasons I drive a diesel is the feeling of endless torque and the ability to climb hills without gear hunting, The 10speed will ruin all of that, but yes in a race it will climb faster, and yes it will get slightly better fuel economy. For me I wanted the last year of the proven 6R140.
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Cargo Master
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I just moved out of my 2017 Raptor into a 19 Super Duty to get back into the 6 speed. While the 10 speed is great for all out acceleration and having more gear ratios available for towing, it was not my cup of tea. I pulled the trigger on a 19' Super Duty with the 6 speed as soon as the 10 speed was announced in the Super Duty. I had both, the gen 2 ecoboost with 10 speed and the 3.5 ecoboost gen one 6 speed trucks to compare. The ecoboost paired with the 6 speed trans, drove and felt like a mini diesel. I was disappointed with the 10 speed ecoboost pairing, it took the major characteristic I loved about the ecoboost (gear holding ability) away. Even though there was plenty of torque to hold 10th gear on hills and would climb them fine if you locked it in 10th, it would constantly downshift on small grades.
One of the main reasons I drive a diesel is the feeling of endless torque and the ability to climb hills without gear hunting, The 10speed will ruin all of that, but yes in a race it will climb faster, and yes it will get slightly better fuel economy. For me I wanted the last year of the proven 6R140.
One of the main reasons I drive a diesel is the feeling of endless torque and the ability to climb hills without gear hunting, The 10speed will ruin all of that, but yes in a race it will climb faster, and yes it will get slightly better fuel economy. For me I wanted the last year of the proven 6R140.
We don’t know how the Diesel engine OR the trans will be calibrated and we don’t know how the 10 speed will act when given over twice the available power and torque, and twice the weight of the truck.
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You are assuming, and are talking apples when you don’t know anything about oranges.
We don’t know how the Diesel engine will be calibrated and we don’t know how the 10 speed will act when given over twice the available power and torque than the smaller and weaker gas engine.
The 6.7L diesel is a totally different animal than the V-6 gas engine, and we haven’t even seen the transmission yet.
Mountain Pass
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Or not understanding that a transmission shifting and keeping an engine in the optimal powerband is somehow a bad thing. Same as the guys complaining the 5.0 and 6.2 is screaming when pulling grade. All those components are designed that way by highly qualified engineers... funny keyboard commandos somehow know more than Ford.
place you below the torque you will want to feel during normal driving. Like I said when you are on it the 10 speed is awesome. I am optimistic they sort out drive-ability as well.
Oh and by the way I am a mechanical engineer in heavy duty diesel engine development by profession. I do understand, just sharing my experience since I have had to opportunity to own and drive a 10speed.
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I think you guys are hopefully optimistic. I had enough data to make and education decision to best suite my needs and wants. 1000bft lbs feels great when you are in the correct rpm band, but don’t think that the shift calibration will be tuned for performance. It will be tuned for emissions, meaning fuel economy and that will
place you below the torque you will want to feel during normal driving. Like I said when you are on it the 10 speed is awesome. I am optimistic they sort out drive-ability as well.
Oh and by the way I am a mechanical engineer in heavy duty diesel engine development by profession. I do understand, just sharing my experience since I have had to opportunity to own and drive a 10speed.
Mountain Pass
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You are correct, we found the key board commando. I am replying from my phone, sorry for the bad grammar. If you are really in the industry you know that the requirements from ARB get tighter every year; and in many cases sacrifices are made to meet these emissions requirements that have an impact on the end user. Having more gears may be a selling point for Ford, but no mistake it allows them to deliver one main thing and that is a compliant engine and aftertreatement system on the prescribed road cycles in which they have to demonstrate on.
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Or not understanding that a transmission shifting and keeping an engine in the optimal powerband is somehow a bad thing. Same as the guys complaining the 5.0 and 6.2 is screaming when pulling grade. All those components are designed that way by highly qualified engineers... funny keyboard commandos somehow know more than Ford.
I think you guys are hopefully optimistic. I had enough data to make and education decision to best suite my needs and wants. 1000bft lbs feels great when you are in the correct rpm band, but don’t think that the shift calibration will be tuned for performance. It will be tuned for emissions, meaning fuel economy and that will place you below the torque you will want to feel during normal driving. Like I said when you are on it the 10 speed is awesome. I am optimistic they sort out drive-ability as well.
Oh and by the way I am a mechanical engineer in heavy duty diesel engine development by profession. I do understand, just sharing my experience since I have had to opportunity to own and drive a 10speed.
Oh and by the way I am a mechanical engineer in heavy duty diesel engine development by profession. I do understand, just sharing my experience since I have had to opportunity to own and drive a 10speed.
You are correct, we found the key board commando. I am replying from my phone, sorry for the bad grammar. If you are really in the industry you know that the requirements from ARB get tighter every year; and in many cases sacrifices are made to meet these emissions requirements that have an impact on the end user. Having more gears may be a selling point for Ford, but no mistake it allows them to deliver one main thing and that is a compliant engine and aftertreatement system on the prescribed road cycles in which they have to demonstrate on.
Fleet Mechanic
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From: Wasilla, AK
I just moved out of my 2017 Raptor into a 19 Super Duty to get back into the 6 speed. While the 10 speed is great for all out acceleration and having more gear ratios available for towing, it was not my cup of tea. I pulled the trigger on a 19' Super Duty with the 6 speed as soon as the 10 speed was announced in the Super Duty. I had both, the gen 2 ecoboost with 10 speed and the 3.5 ecoboost gen one 6 speed trucks to compare. The ecoboost paired with the 6 speed trans, drove and felt like a mini diesel. I was disappointed with the 10 speed ecoboost pairing, it took the major characteristic I loved about the ecoboost (gear holding ability) away. Even though there was plenty of torque to hold 10th gear on hills and would climb them fine if you locked it in 10th, it would constantly downshift on small grades.
One of the main reasons I drive a diesel is the feeling of endless torque and the ability to climb hills without gear hunting, The 10speed will ruin all of that, but yes in a race it will climb faster, and yes it will get slightly better fuel economy. For me I wanted the last year of the proven 6R140.
One of the main reasons I drive a diesel is the feeling of endless torque and the ability to climb hills without gear hunting, The 10speed will ruin all of that, but yes in a race it will climb faster, and yes it will get slightly better fuel economy. For me I wanted the last year of the proven 6R140.
Mountain Pass
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Same story for me. When Ford bought back my 2017 F150 3.5 eco 10 speed the MAIN reason I went with the Super Duty was to avoid the 10 speed again in the F150 if I wanted another 3.5 eco. My wife drives a 2017 Expedition with the 3.5 eco and a 6 speed and it is a joy to drive. Smooth shifts, no clunks or bangs. I am not against new technology. But the 10 speeds are just not there yet. They might have all the bugs worked out in another 3 years.
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From: Nevada
I just moved out of my 2017 Raptor into a 19 Super Duty to get back into the 6 speed. While the 10 speed is great for all out acceleration and having more gear ratios available for towing, it was not my cup of tea. I pulled the trigger on a 19' Super Duty with the 6 speed as soon as the 10 speed was announced in the Super Duty. I had both, the gen 2 ecoboost with 10 speed and the 3.5 ecoboost gen one 6 speed trucks to compare. The ecoboost paired with the 6 speed trans, drove and felt like a mini diesel. I was disappointed with the 10 speed ecoboost pairing, it took the major characteristic I loved about the ecoboost (gear holding ability) away. Even though there was plenty of torque to hold 10th gear on hills and would climb them fine if you locked it in 10th, it would constantly downshift on small grades.
One of the main reasons I drive a diesel is the feeling of endless torque and the ability to climb hills without gear hunting, The 10speed will ruin all of that, but yes in a race it will climb faster, and yes it will get slightly better fuel economy. For me I wanted the last year of the proven 6R140.
One of the main reasons I drive a diesel is the feeling of endless torque and the ability to climb hills without gear hunting, The 10speed will ruin all of that, but yes in a race it will climb faster, and yes it will get slightly better fuel economy. For me I wanted the last year of the proven 6R140.